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Rock-solid reasoning Rene. And that 100%, I sometimes wonder ...
The topic started with the subject of orderers who do not speak up anymore. Not a pain point for me. However, I do occasionally experience a threat such as "... and if you do not do this or that I will give a negative assessment". Look then I can get angry. Anyway what I wonder if I see 100% scores, am I the only one?
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How do others see this?

I don't think that's motivating, everyone strives for optimal performance. If you received a bad rating once 10 years ago (perhaps through no fault of your own), you can never recover 100% using this method.
Give someone a chance to make up for any past mistakes, and so don't chase / punish them for years to come.
I'm in favor of a moving average of say 100 reviews. So rating 101 and older no longer count in the calculation of the score.
As a result, recent negative reviews count somewhat more heavily than the old negative reviews. Seems more realistic than taking the old history into account just as heavily as the current situation.
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But maybe I am not representative. How do others perceive this? Do you find a perfect score of 100% much more confidence-inspiring than just below it

Not necessary. I read the reviews and have already bought quite a few from sellers with not 100%. For example, there are buyers who give negative feedback when an album is out of stock. That can happen due to circumstances and also have a physical store with a lot of volume (which I don't have)

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How do others see this?

I think it's a good idea. This is already being applied at the Catawiki auction.
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100% ;-) ~ agree with Tammo
Theoretically your story is well put together, in practice I don't know, as far as I know there is no feedback system that works like this, seems to me a good system, honest and motivational.

Give someone the chance to make up for a possible mistake from the past and do not chase / punish them for years.

In our society it works just like when you have served your sentence you can start with a clean slate again.

@Rene

Personally, I also find it a lot more confident that I can read 166 reviews than I could only see 18.

At ebay you can always keep seeing all the reviews
Is the feedback calculations correct?

My mistake I also included the neutral.
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Ok, then the score would always be calculated based on the last 100 feedbacks, while it is still possible to view all feedbacks. Does anyone see any objection to such a change?
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a calculation over the last 100 is fine as long as the old feedback remains visible.
shops less than 100 feedbacks should be made up for something eg no percentage.
leave for the rest as it is think but I?
well I plead for reason to cancel add buyer does not respond and that a notification will appear on his account
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Does anyone see any objection to such a change?

I say just do it.
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I think the idea of counting 100 recent feedbacks is fine, a mark buyer does not respond and / or does not pay would be an improvement anyway. But I read that not everyone needs it.
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Let's go back to the example. Someone has 166 reviews in 7 years. In the third year, 1 negative assessment is obtained and the score then comes to 98%. It stops at that and in the seventh year the score is 99.4%!
Nice performance. Now, in the proposed setup, 1 negative rating is obtained and the score is 99%, another 1 and it is 98%! Gosh
There are shops that get 400 orders in a year with possibly 400 reviews, so those shops start over four times a year. !
Oh yes, the blackmailer who now obtains a leverage of 1% per vote.
I expressly say that per vote and for this reason: there are buyers who order each item separately, the seller combines it into 1 order however, lastdodo gives the buyer the opportunity to give a rating for each item ordered. The blackmailer now has the leverage to bring the score in case of 6 ordered items to 94%!

In my opinion an unfortunate plan, provokes conflict and disrupts the formidable and consistency power of the current system.
So don't do it
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The blackmailer now has the leverage to bring the score for 6 items ordered to 94%!

Do you have any examples of these blackmail practices? If this is the daily practice, then the current system is also no good and something completely different must be devised.
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Simply drop the negative rating in the calculation after one year
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About the blackmailers, that's a different turn. I have no problems with that, it happens that a buyer states something in his text about a disappointing item, as soon as I notice that it is an unreasonable disguised invitation for a discount, I will deal with it in my own way. I only had a direct invitation once, to which I simply responded that it was wrong, in case my part would contain a negative feedback, I would respond very appropriately, with large letters that this is also visible in the feedback given as a warning to other sellers. Fortunately then it became quiet. Where criticism is justified, you also have to be sporty to correct. Buying is easy, but careful selling is quite an art. In my opinion, 99% of the users on LD are reasonable people. You usually get it out in case of incidents. I also make mistakes, my wife has a simple expression "no one is perfect".
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My blonde neighbor is perfect! : /
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Is her name Olga?
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Well.?.! How do you know that again?
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Well, our Dutch secret agent quickly signaled me, so GOIH101 you have been being watched by GHA327 for a long time, so you don't stand a chance with Olga.
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I do understand the argument of the proponents of calculating the feedback score about a more recent history of the feedbacks (a mistake from the past does not always count in the score).

My hesitation is mainly due to the downside: the positive feedbacks from the past no longer count in the score. How reasonable is this for the larger shops that have always acted properly and have a very good feedback score? GOIH101 is one of them.

Take The Yellow Sign : 8860 reviews and 100% positive feedback. If this shop unexpectedly receives 2 negative feedbacks, the feedback will go to 99.98% in the current situation. In the new situation, it immediately goes to 98%. The question is whether that is reasonable given all the thousands of other very satisfied customers.

A difficult dilemma. There is something to be said for both arguments.


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Leave it as it is.
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Yes, please leave it as it is.
You also give an example with the Yellow sign that speaks volumes Rene.
For that shop, 1 negative review is 100x more hurtful in the new situation. And that per period which means 8x per year for this shop!
So 8x per year a 100x worst possible situation. I don't see any reason in that.
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For that shop, 1 negative review is 100 times more hurtful in the new situation. And that means 8 times a year for this shop per period!

Wonderful discussion, I would like to respond to that.
Would someone still be a great seller if the last 10 reviews by different buyers were all negative? In the calculation with, for example, 9000 reviews, this shop keeps a score of 99.89%.
Someone may have been a very good seller in the past, but as a potential buyer I want to know the most current situation at a glance. And I don't see that when the score is 99.89%, but I do when it says 90%.

This system is (too) much in favor of large shops with thousands of reviews, which can be done without any worries do afford something.
A feedback system is intended to ensure that sellers remain sharp and are continuously working to improve quality, not to be able to gradually decline.
The large shops on LastDodo have become large shops because they market good quality at a reasonable price. I would be surprised if these shops would get scared if the feedback system is adjusted, because they continue to deliver the same good quality.
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@Collectioneur. Do you have any examples of such a case where the quality collapses in one? Or pure theory? In case the latter forms the basis for a radical change, it might be better to organize a vote than to start from hypotheses.
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Do you have any examples of such a case where the quality collapses in one?

Haha, I will not be blackmailed. A discussion must be clearly defined, so that the principles become clear. As an example, I could have even better stated that the last 100 reviews had been negatively assessed by several buyers. Nevertheless, such a seller still scores an excellent 98.89%.
Hopefully it will be clear what I want to indicate with this. With such a score, potentials won't look at what the reviews have been the last times. They rely on LastDodo which indicates with 98.89% that this is an excellent and reliable seller.

If one does not want to express the current situation in a score, then I suggest that we only show the number of feedbacks and the feedbacks themselves. But so no longer calculate a score , that forces people to actually view the feedbacks faster.
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It will and it must. Hmm.
Terms such as must and compulsion often do not fall well collector.
A hypothetical example remains a hypothetical example when you use a zero more.
The only difference for a potential will be: 100% or 100000 ratings versus 100% or 2 ratings. Well ...
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large shops may have an advantage !! we worked hard for that, you could also turn it around large shops and then get an advantage for all pro shops.
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