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January 25, 2023 13:32
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Can any of you name the Type/Genre
Easy Listening
add.
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January 26, 2023 01:25
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I think it was asked a long time ago and deliberately didn't think I made a mistake?
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January 26, 2023 15:11
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I can't really find the Kind/Genre Easy Listening on the Forum, only that vertigo once wrote about it.
There he also talks about the Kind / Genre Easy Listening, so it is well known.
In any case, it is so well known that there are even Radio stations that only play this Kind / Genre.
That's why I would have liked to see it included in the list.
I sometimes wonder where the problem actually is, who fills it in, fine, who doesn't, also fine.
But at least if it's there, you can fill it in, just like a few other Species / Genres
And what is also important, the Sort / Gerne field is a search and filter field so when you click on a Genre you can exclude other Genres, in my opinion not unimportant with LastDodo.
And who can possibly have something against this, I think but in any case not a manager of Music.
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January 26, 2023 16:14
And what is also important, the Sort / Gerne field is a search and filter field so if you click on a Genre you can exclude other Genres, in my opinion not unimportant with LastDodo.

Unfortunately, there is no "Exclusion filter" yet, but it is on our wish list.

Genre is not a theme field, which can expand unbridled.
Gradually I start to think of a Genre field + a Sub-genre field. There will probably be long discussions about what exactly the (main) Genres are. To keep it somewhat clear, I think such a classification would be desirable.
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January 26, 2023 16:39
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It may also be that we once had that in a consultation, we discussed it
Maybe Frans remembers that
Only that easy touches can concern a lot of music / artists
Yes And Sky Radio does not run differently, but it is not on it with me
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I suggested Easy listening at the time and it was rejected because it's not a genre. Nowadays genre is no longer necessarily necessary, so I don't see any impediment anymore.
In addition, I still have to point out the enormous proliferation at Electronic. If that is possible, then Easy Listening should also be possible.

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I don't know what they play at Sky Radio, but I don't think they play music from Ray Conniff, Herb Alpert or Helmut Zacharias, for example. You can't really classify music from those artists at the moment.
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January 30, 2023 12:13
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Easy Listening is already in Sort / Genre as I see it, Frans added it. Have also already adapted some LPs.
Now I would like to add four pieces to the list.
Namely, Krautrock, Neue Deutsche Welle, Glam Rock and Folk music
Can you arrange this.

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January 30, 2023 12:20
Lyonesse
Folk music is already in it = Folk.
I just need to update the background page. You can also use World Music.

As for Krautrock, Neue Deutsche Welle and Glam Rock: No.
We have already had a very long discussion about this and I will not repeat it.
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Ok I think they should just be in it as Style
I also think Sort is not the right word for Sort/Genre, in my opinion it should actually be Style.
Then you get eg with the Genre, Pop / Rock the Style Glam Rock
But now about folk music, this is a genre that has been known since the mid-1700s.
Here is an example of folk music #8379603 this is not the Genre Folk in my eyes (and ears).
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January 30, 2023 13:08
Here is an example of folk music #8379603 this is not the Genre Folk in my eyes (and ears).

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That's because you're stuck in a certain idea about Folk. The term Folk no longer means the same as in our youth. Today it is common to align with the Anglo-Saxon countries, where all folk music is called Folk.
In addition, I do not really understand your objection, because I have already written:
You can also use World Music.
If you don't think it's Folk, then it's World Music, which is basically intended for all music that doesn't belong to the mainstream, Western popular music.
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I was editing a record today.
The Composer is Claudio Monteverdi
He has written music in the Genre, Renaissance and Baroque
But what do I see, these two Genres are not listed at all at LD.
In my opinion this cannot be, we are talking about a period of 350 years of music.
About 200 years of Renaissance and 150 years of Baroque
So please add both these Genres.
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That's right, but there is an overarching genre that is meant for this music, among other things. It's called "Classic".
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A little music history,
Classical music started about the year 900 and lasted until about 1500
Then comes the Renaissance from about 1500 to 1600
Then comes the Baroque from 1600 to about 1750
Then the Classic comes back for about 100 years.
Renaissance and Baroque have nothing to do with Classical music, this is a completely different Genre, so they cannot be thrown together as is currently the case with LD.
So it should be mentioned in my opinion.
And I think you know that yourself.
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I think you need to read up a bit more. The term Classical music is generally used for art music from the Middle Ages to roughly 1900 (see background page Classical music). The term originated as a designation for music from the time of Classicism, but that meaning has faded over time. And what you write about the period 900 to Renaissance finds no support in music literature [Edit}: (of course we just call that music Medieval music)

Aside from that, the subdivision you've proposed is an extremely bad plan. Everyone knows who JS Bach is, but not everyone knows that he composed Baroque music. Those people will classify this music as Classical music anyway and that is not actually incorrect. As an administrator, I also don't feel like changing these entries to Baroque music.

If you would like to distinguish the music from the Renaissance and Baroque separately, then the term 'Old Music' (music from the Middle Ages, Renaissance and Baroque) is much more obvious. But I am not in favor of using this term either.
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I thought you weren't in favor of it.
But that you don't trust the members of LD to be able to distinguish between Classical and Baroque.
I think they can do that.
There's just no Baroque and Renaissance (And more Genres) in the menu so they can't differentiate at all.
So thanks again for nothing, as usual, leave everything as it always was.
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Lyonesse
Your explanation is spot on. If you have to blame someone, it's you.

[Edit]
My explanation may not have been complete. Baroque is a subfield within Classical music, which is why you cannot replace Classical music with Baroque. That would be very weird. Baroque can be an addition to Classical.

Experience shows that a lot of mistakes are made, especially in the Classical genre. To me, that's a sign that we should keep it a little bit simple. And there is nothing with that.
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Genre what a monstrosity
Just a tricky subject
Rocky Racoon
Really written from a country angle, but isn't it country?
Yesterday always thought he wrote that from a Bach melody
(That it has become classic in the meantime is another story)
But you can't call that classic, can you?
Hence, I largely agree with vertigo

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I do not want at all that one should replace the Classical Genre with Baroque.
I was only surprised to find that this Genre is not yet in the Menu.
Baroque is a completely different kind of music than Classical.
You write Baroque is a sub-area of Classical, I don't think so, Baroque is a completely different kind of Genre, 150 years of Music history just let you run (How many years has Punk music been made for example) to keep it simple, this is your default spell.
One small note, LastDodo has become a pay side, now a buyer wants to have Baroque Music (Or another Genre eg Krautrock, Glamrock), where can you find this at LastDodo?
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You write Baroque is a sub-area of Classical, so I don't think so,

Lyonesse
You can find all kinds of things about it, but some qualifications are generally accepted (see Wikipedia: Baroque music is a form of Western classical music composed in the Baroque period, which runs from ca. 1600 to ca. 1750.) . At Folk you also had such a special idea of your own.

This is at least the third time you mention Krautrock and Glamrock. I appreciate your enthusiasm, John, but now it's getting really annoying.

So, figure it out. I'm going to enjoy my day off!

[Edit] Oh yeah, one more thing:
One small note, LastDodo has become a pay side, now a buyer wants to have Baroque Music (Or another Genre eg Krautrock, Glamrock), where can you find this at LastDodo?

And where can one find bossa nova, grunge, gamelan, tango music, documentary records, fado, raï and rebetika? You can of course extend that list indefinitely, but is that useful?


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April 10, 2023 13:04
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Have you ever gone through your list of Genres that are not yet in Genre.
Take Fado. There are many female singers at LD who sing that Genre, two examples, Christina Blanco and Amália Rodrigues
Take Bossa Nova, João Gilberto (The pioneer of the Bossa Nova) and Astrud Gilberto (By the way, a Pseudonym of Astrud Weinert)
If one looks at the Genres of LD, there are really 14 times different Electronic Music (I wonder which administrator or collectors can tell this apart) and not such Genres as mentioned above.
I'd like to know who's stopping something like that at LD.



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Don't worry so much. Do you think I care one bit that the music style that Frank Zappa has created is not listed. How cherry, there are more important things...
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I got this item today #9781765 entered.
This is an Audiobook or Hearbook.
But this is not yet in the list.
Can any of you add this, because I still have several at home.
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Audio/Audiobooks are housed under Books .
No idea if your item #9781765 is something completely different.
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I had never seen this at LastDodo before.
I myself had thought that they would belong to the Music.
They are indeed CDs, but why are there such records, for example? #240425 with music. (A story without music)
And an item like this, #3549735 a story with music accompanying books.
But if this has to be added to Books, you can do this item #9781765 completely remove again from music.
I'll wait and see before I enter any more of those items.
I think this is going to be another interesting theme.
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Seems like a fun job for the super admins vertigo Jilles FransS
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