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Piece of wikipedia:
of the last half of the 1960s, the simplicity of the singer-songwriter could be called a new genre, which harked back to the troubadours of the Middle Ages. The introverted lyrics were mostly about social problems and protest, emotional life and mysticism. Singer-songwriter is a broad and genre-transcending denominator for a type of musician, which can be used for musicians of folk , rock , pop , indie , and other musical styles. Singer-songwriters can also play in or with a band, as Bob Dylan did in the 1960s.

It literally says
Is a broad and genre-transcending denominator

You can therefore view singer-songwriters as: music
And that can be classical, pop, country, and so on, but it's still music

If I were Neil Young or JohnLennon: Singer/songwriter
would call everyone says you don't get it!
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December 15, 2022 21:31
No one seems to want to burn their fingers on this

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It's not so much. The big problem is that the terms cannot be properly defined and that the meaning of these terms keeps shifting. It's not rocket science. Music is often classified according to marketing. In that case, the terms are intended to address a target group.
The question of whether a certain concept is a genre or not is not really relevant to me. In my opinion, it is about whether terms appeal to a broad group of music lovers. For example, singer/songwriter is such a commonly used term these days, indicating that the artist makes music that is more personal, sensitive and true than, for example, the music of the Venga Boys (sorry fans).
Singer/songwriter was apparently introduced to LD at the time because there were users who needed it. I have no problem with that.

Folk is another vague term that used to be used in the Netherlands for singer / songwriters avant la lettre, such as Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan. Nowadays, folk is also used in the Netherlands to indicate folk music. Folk music in the broadest sense of the word, because Zangeres Zonder Naam and schlager singers are also included.
In the background page I kept to the 'classical' format and referred the real folk music to the World Music. Maybe I should revise that background page.

The classification does not have to be 100% correct. The most important thing is that there is a term for certain types of music, in which you can classify that music.
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Does the discussion about Singer / songwriter get a bit out of hand. Goggle and Wikip. are not guidelines for me but opinions. Why not just go back to the meaning of the word.
As already indicated by several : (author?)/musician; no genre..
Interpretation as you simply read it : a Singer is a singer and a Songwriter is a writer . Of course he/she/they can ALSO be both. No hassle with 'style' and 2 simple usable databases. Filters can be easily applied to it. ala 'kiss' . (haha)
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December 16, 2022 15:54
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Why do you think the discussion is getting out of hand?
We're just voicing back and forth a few opinions on the Genres field, nothing else.
For example, I want to add a few more Genres, and others are still worrying about this, So What.
You write Google and Wikipedia are not guidelines, I think so, what do you think where a lot of information from music comes from, certainly not in someone's mind alone.
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Lyonesse

I think Leike-w is mainly talking about singer / songwriter with his interpretation, there's nothing wrong with that, right? Everyone belongs to a group of "we" having a discussion, right? Or am I reading something wrong?
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Lyonesse sure, everyone has their own opinion (don't start a discussion on that, but G. as a guideline ?? come on).
Harry56 don't think so. But if no one takes a decision, it will remain the same: this is just a start. ;-)
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I'm a true music enthusiast, although I sold all my LPs and rig years ago, so I also follow the forum posts and rave points made for the catalog. Besides the stamp section, the "music" is a beautiful thing. Because I have little to enter or put in my collection, I am therefore of no use here. Every day I listen for an hour through my PC and perfect speakers to "my heroes" from the past, with YouTube being a wonderful source to discover the younger guard of musicians and fortunately there are plenty of them. That aside.
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Even if you have nothing left to enter, your opinion is certainly useful. Everyone's opinion matters.
I'm also curious about those heroes of the past ;-)
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I totally agree with you, but.... stay away from the Boom boom boom Vengaboys hey ;-)
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Vengaboys doesn't mean anything to me, I won't even look it up...

Well, actually I'm interested in quite a few music genres, artist bands (certainly not all songs) The Doors, John Lee Hooker, Aretha Franklin, the "old" Fleetwood Mac, Rory Galagher, Tina Turner but with the Ikettes, The Groundhogs , Genesis, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, John Mayall, The Collectors, The Who, Dr John. An unparalleled LP, once for sale at V&D for 1 guilder from Dutch soil Group 1850 "Paradise Now" That is an LP that I really played to "grooveless". And via YouTube you sometimes click on artists, then you sometimes discover something: Newen Afrobeat, Newen Afrobeat: live 1/21 part 2 Festival Musicas Del Mundo
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Kokoroko - Colonial Mentality | Sofar London


But also artists like Sade, Diana Ross, Nina Simone. And nice processing

Four Women (Cover by Berklee Black Lives Matter)


There are so many that I like, but everything has to do with taste and timbre and what you can follow. Free Jazz etc my brain can't handle that, just say the meaning of Robert Wyatt's solo LP (I could handle The Soft Machine), but the End of an Ear clearly not. And certainly not to forget some classical music pieces and arrangements of Porgy and Bess , well this is more for a LastDodo music cafe. Sorry if I spelled names wrong.
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Harry, believe me, Vengaboys don't want you to know...
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I can restrain my curiosity well .. Forgot to mention Frank Zappa ( and the Mothers .. ). Musical but also quite "naughty times"
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That pretty much matches what I have here. I find The Groundhogs in your list a surprise ;-) You don't hear that very often. Old Mac with Peter Green is phenomenal. A broad spectrum indeed. Nice to read.
Morits
I'm also not a big fan of Wessel van Diepen and his Vengaboys, but I do know them ;-)
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My 10-year-old daughter is sometimes amazed when I hear a song on the radio and know exactly who it is, even if it is out of her area of interest, I am old, but my brain still works...:-))
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Happy! Then I don't have to worry about you ;-)
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Free Jazz etc my brain can't handle that, just say the meaning of Robert Wyatt's solo LP (I could handle The Soft Machine), but the End of an Ear clearly not.
Harry56
Soft Machine 4 is also quite Free Jazz-esque otherwise.

Furthermore, I can do something with most of the artists you mention, except for Sade, who doesn't come into my house (because of her flat voice).
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Sade: wonderful voice, keb everything from d'er

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Have a question about I call it Genre, Contemporary
Is this a Genre that compares to what LastDodo says as,
Classical: Modern Composers
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I honestly have no idea. Contemporary, of course, means "modern".
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Contemporary is often a modern quiet Piano music.
Have a listen to this CD #7929689 at YouTube.
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Lyonesse

Apparently you consulted Discogs. It says on this CD:

Genre: | classic
Style: | contemporary

Contemporary means contemporary, contemporary. 'Classical: modern composers' also refers to contemporary music composed in the classical tradition. Whether it is quiet music or less quiet music is not important.

The tracks on the CD #7929689 therefore fall under the genre / type Classical: modern composers.

[Edit:]
See also what is mentioned in the Dutch Wikipedia about Ludovico Einaudi .
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Yes, that's where I got the name Contemporary from.
Did know the name but in connection with dancing.
But anyway thanks Rob, have also read Wikipedia about Ludovico Einaudi.
Add to the Tracks now as Genre Classic: Modern Composers
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I was not familiar with the use of contemporary in dance, John.
But the term contemporary is used in all kinds of art forms. This is often referred to as a difference with 'modern'. For example, a work by Picasso is modern art, but a work by Damien Hirst is contemporary,
In fact, this difference also exists in the music. We call Bartok's compositions modern music, but Philip Glass and Ludovico Einaudi compose contemporary music. For the Classical section: modern composers don't care. There they are all lumped together.

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Lyonesse
The Wikipedia is not always correct, but at Contemporary Classical Music a good explanation is given
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Can any of you at Type / Genre
Add country rock
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Great Jills, thank you.
Now you can at least add the correct Genre to hundreds of Tracks.
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