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I miss a.o. Genre, Musical as given. Could / may it be added Rene?

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I miss a lot more (many more….)
but unfortunately these have not been added so far (on multiple requests)

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A discussion about this has already been started at the forum music general.

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@ Collector

When entering the Genre (Music style) I noticed that several styles are not present.

Is it possible to add these styles to the list.

Italian, Spanish, Easy Listening, Glamrock, Life song, Neue Deutsche Welle, Ragtime and Folk music.

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Italian and Spanish are not styles, but languages. Then call flamenco or the like. Nor is Dutch a style, you have folk music, blues, etc.

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I also know that Dutch, Italian and Spanish are not a style, but they simply fall under Genre with records.

Also only wanted to include these languages because many records are in e.g. Italian have been released, and now they cannot be properly accommodated.

Greetings John.

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An album in Italian can still be classified under eg rock or pop or the like ?????

I don't want to be silly, but American or English?

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@ Morits

I see it a bit differently, take e.g. Milva, who usually sings in Italian, is now mostly with her Genre, World music, so what can one do with that, a record e.g. in Spanish it is also indicated as World Music.

Then why can you go to e.g. Boudewijn de Groot does enter Genre, Dutch and Cabaret (where Cabaret after yes).

Then you can enter everything as Pop and Rock or World Music, but that is not the intention.

Yeah can't be such a problem adding a few Genres Of Languages.

An example, with the Postage Stamps, there you have dozens of different watermarks, which are entered but also not only, with watermark.

Greetings John.

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The fact that genre now contains a number of languages, completely incorrectly, cannot be a reason to further pollute the field by adding more languages. What needs to be done is that the languages that are currently there will be removed, all of them.

Language is not a genre, never.

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Pegag

I am glad that you are also doing your part, did not intend to fight alone ...

That's why I didn't answer anymore ...

That is still the case with Frank Zappa, I absolutely do not know under which genre to place it. No genre is suitable for that, you should come up with one, but even then you fall short ...

Should be Zappian, but try to get that through ...

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Agree with pegag's conclusion.

What I can find out is that it concerns a few Genres:

Disco: Italo-Disco
Folk: Americana
Independent: Indie
Dutch and Cabaret
Pop and Rock: Nederbeat
Pop and Rock: Nederpop

If there are any suggestions for a better designation, please also indicate the EN, DE and FR translation directly.

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Just omit 'Italo'

Independent is not a genre, so go

omit dutch

nederpop and nederbeat is pop

only Americana is a collective name for a number of different styles, I don't know how to subdivide them. Often a certain version of blues (Mississippi) is also included under this.

just ask Johan Derksen, he knows all about it, really

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I agree that language is not a Genre.

For me, the languages may also be removed from the Genre.

But if that happens, you can enter a language at the plates.

As e.g. is added to the books.

Now it says next to the plates, country of issue e.g. Netherlands, then one can put above that Language.

Is just an idea of mine.

Greetings John.

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In the past there has been a lot about Genres discussion been. Tastes differ. I will not comment on the (micro) differences between the different genres, but it is clear that language is not a genre.

Let the administrators / enthusiasts also hear about Morits's proposal. Please do substantively, no personal attacks.

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But if that happens, you can enter a language at the plates.
As e.g. is done with the books.
Now the plates indicate the country of issue e.g. Netherlands, then one can put above that Language.


Interesting. Anyone have any idea why it was chosen not to have a language field for Records / CDs and for DVD / Film (even separately for cover and spoken language)?

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Also agree with Morits and Pegag. A genre like "Dutch-speaking" dates back to the time when we thought too little internationally. It is good to now look at it from a more international perspective.

That is still the case with Frank Zappa, I absolutely do not know under which genre to place it. No genre is suitable for that, you should come up with one, but even then you fall short ...

We don't have to link an artist to a genre, do we? This is possible per plate. Joe's Garage (great by the way!) Is a rock opera (genre Pop & amp; Rock seems to me).

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https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_style List

I assume we don't want this

many things have been misunderstood in the past

genre is possible for many discussions, we don't want that either

and a Zappa enthusiast will have various reasons to think all about it.

but a Yoko Ono enthusiast (find the perfect rock) she could join Zappa or was it the other way around

I would like to try to come up with a clear list with administrators, but I don't think language is applicable!

Did I recently have a Polish fairy tale or children's song single?

I don't understand so then just world music

I also have some French cabaret singles but I don't understand French so maybe it's folk music or smartlap, chanson I don't know!

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@Dick

You are right about Genre, yes, it does not have to contain that many music styles.

But language is also very important, we communicate with it.

And a record sung in Dutch is different from one in German or Italian.

That is why I think one should create a field where one can enter the language, and I think it should be directly underneath the title entry of the record.

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Interesting. Anyone have any idea why it was chosen not to have a language field for Records / CDs and for DVD / Film (even separately for cover and spoken language)?

DVD / movie language is just part of and important

and DVD section has also been further refined within the catalog later on, so other fields have been created for further insight?

but Hey Jude is just Hey Jude worldwide

Sometimes you see the title translated but the needle is on the record, the English version just appears at the Beatles

and of course there are translated versions of songs but they just get that title in that language

And is it then a smartlap, chanson, schlager, folk music, world music?

The language is an important part of DVD / film

tells something about the film for example in Japanese for most not to read and then it is just an added value if it is shown in English / Dutch

With music that often does not count

but music DVDs I would rather see with music

but that's another story I put music on 1 another image on 1

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@Lyonnese:

A language field does indeed seem a bit redundant, because the language usually appears from the title. In addition, language plays no role in instrumental music.

I also have some French cabaret singles but I don't understand French so maybe it's folk music or smartlap, chanson I don't know!

@Dick: Put it in the catalog and send me an email. I'll check it out.

@Collectioneur:

I am of the opinion that we should not be too strict with the classification. Once on the forum I politely asked for an 'Easy listening' section, because the 'World music' department was contaminated with Easy listening. Then it was rejected because it is not really a genre. But what does that matter?

Soundtrack, for example, is not a genre either, but it is useful to know that it concerns film music. I think Arco handled it pragmatically. We suddenly got Accordion music, Harmony / Fanfare music and Instrumental. None of these are genres, but the people who collect such music will be happy with it.

I think it's a good idea to separate Cabaret from Nedertalig. Can I finally import my American comedy records?

- Cabaret / comedy (NL); Comedy (English); Komödie (German); Comédie (French)

Furthermore, it is striking that Electronic has many different formats and also Pop and rock. Other music comes off poorly.

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Oh yes, Rock and Pop: Progressive rock and Rock and Pop: Symphonic rock I think are the same.

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@ Vertigo I already noticed that

electronic and that prog symph rock

is just pop to my ears

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For my ears is just pop

That's an important note. The classifications suggested here are from a personal point of view. Maybe ok for you or me because we can store our collection in it. But for someone else ...

Metal will for most of us just belong under rock (due to lack of genre noise) but that is a whole world apart where the differences are known, described and clearly audible. For example: thrash metal, heavy metal, glass metal, funk metal, black metal, death metal, gothic, ... and so on (these genres are often further subdivided).

Who are we, without expertise in this genre, to put everything under one heading?

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A language field does indeed seem a bit redundant, because the language usually appears from the title. In addition, language plays no role in instrumental music.


Wouldn't it be interesting for a collector to know which LPs are in the catalog with, for example, NL, Swedish, Japanese or foreign-language music in the catalog? Could there be covers in a different language than the original first release with the same record?

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The Spanish-language title versions of Hot Rats are simply called Ratas Calientes, so you can't get it from the title.

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