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Lyonesse 
It's about the stamp. It makes no difference that there is a sheet edge: the item concerns the stamp. That stamp will not be rejected if it is not already present on LD. Not even in cases where the image is rather blurry. The data is correct, and the image contains the item. With ballast, of course.
As soon as a collector user on LD is good enough to make a more suitable scan of the stamp of his copy, he may replace the first image.
Or add as 2nd image, and a administrator to switch the images. There is nothing wrong with that stamp 'in its environment' as the 2nd image.

The best way of adding is, of course, a neat scan of the stamp, without any frills.

There are collectors who want stamps with a sheet edge (or corner piece).
And there are those who always remove excess ballast (like me).
Have you ever seen a DAVO magazine Germany in which stamps with sheet edge/corner piece stick out? You can't be satisfied with that as a collector.
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Hello John, the three stamps you give as an example, aren't they regular stamps? They are not registered as se-tenant or stamp with tab. Furthermore, they are not in the catalog. Postmaster writes that he prefers to a photo without a sheet edge, I think everything is according to the manual.
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Maybe everything could be true, I maintain that such an item does not belong in the Catalogue, this is a personal item for your own collection, I also have a few hundred of them myself van, I only bought them at the time because the perforation remains better.
But there are just importers who are too lazy, regardless of anything to digitally edit these items, yes someone else can do that for them.
Maybe it's better to remove something like that, maybe they'll learn something then, like you Raoul62 sometimes write a kind of education.
Greetings John.
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Lyonesse I wrote : they don't belong in the catalog twice. If we don't have anything better, we leave it alone and fill in the other info (until someone has the right image). If they are duplicated, it has to go.
If the sheet edge is blank, it has absolutely no added value. If the sheet edge is printed, you can also add all your copies as 2nd image to the correct item.
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Next question. #8975611 is listed as a stamp with tab.But this stamp with tab is also in the third image at #1581811 .Duplication?.
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According to the manual:
Stamps in which an illustrated vignette without postage value is attached to the stamps may be included. If this vignette is included as standard with every stamp in the sheet, this will be included as a type of 'seal', possibly with 'seal with tab' as the second type.
The separate stamp without tab may not be included as a separate item in this case. The stamp without vignette can be used as a 2nd image, not as a new item.

As I understand it:
The new stamp is in my opinion a duplication, but the places of the old stamp have to be exchanged.
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It's a different tab, which means the stamp has different vignettes on the left and right. Article 10.1 of the Handbook does not provide instructions for this exception, but it seems to me that #8975611 and that with #1581811 the stamp without tab should not be the first image (it should be be the version with tab, or in this case with two tabs left and right?).

That also applies to some other items of this Issue. As long as we do not have a picture of a complete block or sheet, it is difficult to determine which variants are possible.
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Indeed, the manual is not clear on this situation.
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I would be very happy if it were 1 item. For an easy search also Seal and Seal with tab. In this case for now as 3rd image.
As stripspeldjes said, we must first have seen a complete sheet.
The order of the images (yes, I know that it's in the catalog) is the least of my concern.

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Also a nice example if everyone enters something.South Africa 1942.I can't see through this anymore.
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For those tabs of Rwanda (I was working on it this afternoon until other priorities showed up)  I am still looking for an image of the sheet.
The manual is clear about this.
Short: as there are as many tabs as stamps in the sheet, according to the manual it may be an item. Not the separate stamp (but as 2nd image).
If there are fewer tabs than stamps in the sheet, you can allow 2 items.

Previously I had already moved some as 2nd image to the oldest, and have the item deleted. That's why it was found there. But they just keep coming...
So now I first want to know what the sheet looks like (and I don't have it in my collection - yet).
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So I first want to know what the sheet looks like (and I don't have it in my collection - yet).
Raoul62
I'm glad you also come to the conclusion that this is a totally unworkable definition. Especially for the average collector/importer. In addition, neither the stamp handbook nor the pop-up define what should be placed in the 2nd and 3rd image. (Is it in the general Lastdodo manual?). I would follow the line of other headings, with the 2nd and 3rd images intended to better identify the stamp. So characteristic differences between similar stamps, as with #2640765, #5276595 and #5796079. An image of a watermark is also very enlightening.
My conclusion: Include 2 items in the catalog, namely the stamp without tab and the tab with stamp. Tab with stamp and not stamp with tab. Then you only have to allow 1 combination in the catalog: the tab remains the same. I would reserve the 2nd and 3rd image for more important matters.. 
Nice assignment(s) for @Collectioneur. After all, he just finished the FDC :-) 
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az60 
Yet the manual is clear. It's an appointment that was described in February last year.
Only, I don't know what the sheet looks like (where the stamps and tabs have been removed).
I know it's sheets of 40 stamps ( according to OBP catalog), and I suspect (not sure) that there are 2 different labels (tabs) in between.
Depending on how those label(s) are placed and the number of ...
< br>If the same tab is available for each stamp, then the stamp with tab (en type = 'seal', or you don't see it with standard filter on) may be included. Not the loose seal. One item. Any other, or mutilated, shape as 2nd or 3rd image can be admitted.
Because then it is assumed that the stamp with that tab is one whole. Without a tab, it is a 'mutilated' unit.

Since I mainly see offers on the internet for the stamps from that series without a tab, I suspect that there are only a limited number of those labels in the sheet. So scarcer. And then both the stamp with tab and the stamp without tab can be on LD as an item.

There is pure and good logic behind it. No nonsense.

In the very beginning that I became administrator of this area, I mistakenly merged one (with the aim of placing the stamp with tab as 1st image later). Now I'll leave them until I'm sure.

Call: does anyone have a link to an image of one of the sheets of this issue?
I already have in my 'junk boxes' from Rwanda/Burundi here looked. There's still a lot of stuff in there that I haven't included in my collection yet. But a sheet of the stamps from that issue ... not present.


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