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Is this allowed?.
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In allowed I mean #8957379 as a new item.
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As 2nd image at #550689: yes.
But then you have to add 'Se-tenant' next to 'Series' as well. div>
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If the importer would make a little more effort to fill in some fields, we would already know something. If these stamps always appear in this form, it may be under se-tenant, but this must be judged by someone who knows the stamps well. (You are not supposed to record them 10x with the seal left, right, top, bottom or whatever else you could imagine).
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Hopefully the importer is watching.
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January 03, 2022 17:38
Please also scan stamps with a black background and straighten them (stamps manual).

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January 03, 2022 17:54
Don't get too personal. It's a good case for demonstrating something that some users don't know. Either because the handbook is not read, or because it is forgotten by the time they ever meet a se-tenant themselves and want to add it to collection, search list or shop.

In many countries stamps are issued  that can be used individually or as a se-tenant. In this case, the 1994 December stamps of the Netherlands, the stamps were issued in a sheet of #251887.
Very much used individually (55 cents, perhaps for a card to send?), but also a lot with 2, 3 or more together.
In the sheet are 2 different stamps perceptible. They are each an item individually. The series consists of 2 stamps. Series and se-tenant are not included as separate items, but as one item.
The manual is clear: "one complete series as se-tenant and series".
Other order or form of appearance also belongs to the same serial item. Up to 3 images (then that's enough).

In other words, a se-tenant is always the (complete) series. The series only becomes se-tenant when an image of the se-tenant is added in addition to the image of the individual stamps of the complete series.

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As said, hopefully the importer is looking.
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Raoul62 Do you have some examples? I still find it a bit cryptic.
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January 03, 2022 18:23
Was my explanation too short? I don't get to hear that often :)

#251887 is a piece of paper . You can clearly see 2 different stamps: #251831 and #251843. The series consists of 2 stamps: #550689.
There are different appearances of the se tenant possible. A possible shape is shown as an image in the first message of this thread.
The se-tenant is not included in the catalog separately. But as an additional image to the series (which requires a 2nd kind of 'se-tenant' to be added to the same series item).

In area Japan there are many such series that are also possible as se-tenant. Some of them have already been set correctly.

Another Dutch example, but with three stamps, is eg this #263033.
Both the series and the (maximum) se-tenant are contained in one item. Not included separately (it was, but has since been corrected).
Varieties, variants, printing errors and deviations of course deserve a place in the catalog again. But not the other normal forms, not even partial se-tenants. They must be complete.
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Example series / se-tenant for Japan: #2822727. 2 stamps in the series. The 3 images have been used. A next possible appearance will no longer be added (and will be rejected if added as an item).
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Raoul62 thank you. I think I partly understand now. But I miss the usefulness of the separate stamps (series) in combination with se-tenant. From a collector's point of view I indicate individual stamps (the separate items) and the se-tenant (and not the series).

A series can be useful for shops (I understand we want to get rid of them), but it As a buyer it doesn't matter to me whether it is se-tenant or loose stamps.
I will miss a piece of history.
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It's an agreement.
Is a drop of difference in the overflowing catalog, if only se-tenants of 2 different stamps would exist. 4 items per 'series' ... well I hear you think. That only makes a sloppy ten thousand items difference. But there are se-tenants (more than 3 stamps) of which I can make and add dozens of different manifestations.
Appointment is: NOT allowed (see stamp handbook).
Just like incomplete se-tenant or incomplete series : NOT allowed.
Just like a stamp only one item may be added. no stamped version next to MNH version. Not even a version with the stamp upside down (or landscape). One.
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already added him as se-tenant to #550689< /a>.
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And with a clean neat scan aartinge. As it should be :)
This is the correct way Frageria . I hope many read this, and from now on help maintain the catalog for the se tenants according to the agreements.
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If you see the first image  of  #550689 . magnified, it could also be 2 separate stamps, cunningly placed against each other. Saw something like this last year with blocks of 4 from the U.S.A. Bleached 3 seals se-tenant and 1 accurately deposited seal to fill the gap. With the se-tenants, the perforation holes are of course perfectly aligned (purely round holes), when "put together" you almost always see a slightly deformed oval hole).
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By accident I ran into Noord-Ingermanland. There are two stamps together with a perforation error: #7569659 and #7569659 .< br>
Are they correctly classified as "Postage" and "Seal" or should "Seal" mean something else?
In specifics, it is called a sheet.
I assume "map dd" is not related to the seal but is uploader specific information.
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If you see the first image  of  #550689. magnified, it could also be 2 separate stamps, cunningly placed together.
I do think that aartinge has messed us up here. The stamps do not appear in that combination in the sheet, so this se-tenant  does not exist. div>
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Damn that left seal just turned a quarter turn....
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stripspeldjes
As I see it it was originally the Series with the two separate stamps.
They just added a non-existing Se tenant.
This has to be returned to the original by a Master Administrator version, there are hundreds of collectors on this item.
I don't think something like that really works.

Greetings John.
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Yes John, it goes as you can see. Quite a cunning fox, that aartinge!!.
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Thank you for the compliment. Well seen, so :-D
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 I do think that  has messed us up here. The stamps do not appear in that combination in the sheet, so this se-tenant  does not exist. div> 
He messed us up ? You mean he falsified this item. What could be the sanction? 
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Loriot, I don't think you should take it so highly. I think Aartinge was just joking. He also knows, of course, that a trained eye (compliment Dick) sees this immediately. Otherwise, Aartinge never had a not existing se-tenant filed.
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