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tomdejong thanks for picking this up.
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Because this rule does not align with the current internationalization policy, it has already been discussed extensively in the past in the Super-Administrators' meeting (you can search by the subject 'Eerstedagkaart'), the administrators' forum, and the public forum (https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/community/topics/38221-opheffen-soort-eerstedagkaart).
I followed the email exchange between you at the time, but it ended with an agreement to gauge opinion on the forums, and the conclusion of that poll was not communicated back afterwards. I understand your conclusion that the definition of the First Day Ticket needs to be broadened, but that the three types remain separate.

The action that still needs to be taken is to update the text regarding the First Day Card on the background page and in the handbook. Can you take the lead on that again?
I certainly want to do that, but I will pick it up again in the thread that was actually about this ( Postage Stamps Forum Closure "Type of First Day Card" ), because I see that detailed proposals for definitions have been made there. After all, this thread was originally about how to deal with facsimile stamps :-)
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The direction of further internationalization was set in motion by management much earlier,

Indeed. You'd be very happy to. That applies to all types of etc. on stamps.

The problem here is that, in my opinion, we cannot make a very clear distinction between the First Day Card and the First Day Paper; a grey area will continue to exist for the time being.

If no clear distinction can be made, you would think that you could combine them into one, more internationally recognizable species.


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In the past, I have encountered an unwritten rule at FDCs that for the UK, only one firm is listed per FDC.

I am not aware of it Helv and it also seems to me like a somewhat nonsensical unwritten rule.
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If the items are transferred (except for the postmark, of course), please add an extra field under Stamps, Postmark Office. Postmark Office is a good filter function and is also listed on the relevant item, making it easy for an importer to copy.
In the past, I have encountered an unwritten rule at FDCs that only one firm is listed per FDC for the UK. I believe this is not yet stated very clearly in the current handbook, but it will undoubtedly spark some discussion one way or another.
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In any case, the items I found under Other with a first-day stamp are now listed under Series, First-Day Stamp . If I find others, I will add them here as well.

If the items are transferred (except for the postmark, of course), please include an extra field under Stamps, Postmark Office. Postmark Office is a good filter function and is also located on the relevant item, making it easy for an entry clerk to copy. I will not say anything further about perforation or fluorescence, etc.

And then an extra field where one can enter the postal code, department, state, etc. These are also details often included on a stamp and are easily filterable. I have now indicated these in the sub-series.
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Moving items from Stamps to Other now based on outdated rules, and then moving them back later, does not seem efficient to me.

Agreed. It is much more efficient if the description of First Day Tickets is quickly adjusted so that the typical Dutch description is converted into international products.
The direction towards further internationalization was set in motion by management a long time ago; it remains irritating that a decision cannot be made quickly regarding these kinds of outdated matters.
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Handbook of Stamps First Day Cards limited to issues of the Huisman firm.
Because this rule does not align with the current internationalization policy, it has already been discussed extensively in the past in the Super-Administrators' meeting (you can search by the subject 'Eerstedagkaart'), the administrators' forum, and the public forum (https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/community/topics/38221-opheffen-soort-eerstedagkaart).

The decision was that First Day Cards would be extended to all relevant products (most of which are paper-based). The only thing hanging over implementation was a proposal from a Super-Administrator to merge all First Day products into one type (instead of three).
No proponents of that could be found on either forum.

The concrete proposal now is to keep the existing 3 types separate until further notice.
The problem here is that, in my opinion, we cannot make a very clear distinction between the First Day Card and the First Day Paper; a grey area will continue to exist for the time being.

The action that still needs to be taken is to update the text regarding the First Day Ticket on the background page and in the handbook. tomdejong can you take the lead on that again?

Moving items from Stamps to Other now, and then back again, based on outdated rules, seems inefficient to me, nor kind to the limited number of administrators who have these rights (like Collectioneur ).
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Helv I can only conclude that Charles1971 is entirely right that the Stamp First Day Covers handbook restricts it to issues by the Huisman firm. Without any knowledge of the context, that seems to me a rather arbitrary exception, since the phenomenon appears to be more widely known. If other super-administrators feel the same way, an amended text can of course be added to legitimize transferring these cards from 'Other' to 'Stamps'.
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tdejong can you take a look at Charles1971's comment (my last sentence):
The entry was made by a very experienced French user and avid collector. He has been with LD since 2015. This collector is currently also entering cards with first-day cancellations under Other. Rightly so, because under Stamps, first-day cards are reserved for the Huisman company.
I fully agree with Jummeke on this:
we are absolutely not doing well
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Indeed, the intention is to first bring everything under one umbrella in the 'Other' section. Even within that, the definitions do not yet seem entirely clear to me. Trying to map everything out is the first step.


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Perhaps tighten the definitions first, then.

In my opinion, this proposal is solely about grouping the 'Other' category—regarding items with a philatelic connection—under a common denominator. In this case, the theme of Philately.

The sections Postage stamps, Perfins, Fiscal stamps, and Sealing stamps remain independent.
So certainly not yet a Philately cluster in which everything is housed; that definitely needs to be considered and discussed.
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Items such as #10731087 should actually be moved to Other as well. But as mentioned, let's just try to make a category out of it.
If the intention is to create a single philatelic category, we are absolutely not on the right track. Perhaps we should refine the definitions first.
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w1975 Helv Charles1971
#11151801 is now in the Collector's Albums section.
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Following his hint, I found more stamp albums there.

I put the link directly to the stamp albums instead of the general page of the section, so you haven't lost track.


Item #11151801 is currently still in Other, with the item "Save Album" as you wrote, or is that an intermediate step to be transferred "automatically"?

No, that is not an intermediate step to be transferred, but I assume that Collectioneur will transfer this to the Collectors' Albums section after my response.
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I see, for example, #11807143 .

The entry was made by a very experienced French user and avid collector Helv . This person has been with LD since 2015. This collector is currently also entering cards with first-day cancellations under Other. Rightly so, because under Stamps, first-day cards are reserved for the Huisman company.

If the ultimate goal is a philatelic section, then #11807143 no problem, right? Transferring takes a lot of time and effort.

Items such as #10731087 should actually be moved to Other as well. But as mentioned, let's just try to make a category out of it.
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Charles1971 Is it correct that there are also Occasion Cards listed under Card [philately]? I see #11807143 , for example.
Occasion cards are normally also accepted in the Stamps section.
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w1975 thanks for the adjustment!
I've just lost track for a moment, because I thought Collectioneur meant the Collector's Albums section. After his hint, I found more stamp albums there.

Item #11151801 is currently still in Other, with the item "Storage Album" as you wrote, or is that an intermediate step to be transferred "automatically"?
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Item #11151801 seems like something for the Collectors' Albums section, doesn't it?

That one can indeed go to Collector's Albums .
The pages are pre-printed and the second photo shows instructions on how to place the stamps in the album, so there are plenty of reasons to consider this a collector's album.

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Poetry album as Object

I have now changed that to a save album; due to the closed field, there is no option to leave this empty or add other items.


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Don't these kinds of cards belong in that section?

Tough question Helv , I don't know. If it specifically concerns the 'unstamped' cards, then I think so too.
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Facsimile [philately] has been added; please check/adjust the translations yourself.

Thanks Collectioneur .

I have made a few minor adjustments to the translations. If there are users who disagree with this, please let me know.
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In my opinion, a philatelic card really should have a postmark.
I hadn't thought about it that way before, but that sounds reasonable in itself. But if it does fall under the Philately theme, it's also a bit strange.

Additionally, as I mentioned in the edit, there is also the Postcards section. It contains both blank and written/stamped cards.

Don't these kinds of cards belong in that section?
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To belong #11553531 and #11553529 not under Kaart [philately] (instead of just Kaart)?

I don't see a postmark Helv . That is why I placed this with the card. Or do you view a philatelic card differently? In my opinion, a philatelic card surely ought to have a postmark. A postal item, among other things, is of course a different story.
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Item #11151801 seems like something for the Collector's Albums section, doesn't it w1975 ?
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