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How do I know that I have the 1st pressing. Some LPs have a manual and machine number as well as various notes. The numbers are usually also different.

Who can provide me with information.

Dit is een lastige, maar Ik wil wel een poging doen :-)

Er zijn een aantal zaken waar je naar kunt kijken:

Releasenummers:
Dit beperkt het zoeken. Als je een plaat hebt, uitgegeven door een EMI-maatschappij, heb je al een idee van het decenium waarin de plaat is uitgebracht. In de sixties hanteerde EMI verschillende manieren van nummering: Columbia verschilde van Parlophone. Vanaf 1969 hanteerde EMI voor alle sublabels hetzelfde systeem: 5C 062-04219 waarbij de 5 voor de C het land aangeeft. De 0 van 062 geeft aan dat het vinyl is en de 62 uit 062 is een soort prijscode. De laatste 5 cijfers vormen een uniek identificatie-nummer.
In de jaren 80 werd de 5C vervangen door 1A.

Voorbeeld: Het bovenstaande releasenummer is van The Beatles-LP Please, please me. De Nederlandse stereo-release.

De eerste Nederlandse stereo-persing uit 1963 had als releasenummer PCS 3042
Herpersingen uit de jaren 70 dus 5C 062-04219
Herpersingen uit de jaren 80 dus 1A 062-04219

Als je dus een van de twee laatste hebt, hoef je niet verder te kijken. Je hebt een herpersing.

Heb je er eentje met releasenummer PCS 3042 dan wordt het zaak om verderr onderzoek te doen, want ook in de jaren 60 werd er regelmatig bijgeperst.

Bekijk dan de hoes. Heeft die aan de achterkant omgeslagen randen? Is de voorkant gelamineerd? Is de hoes in Engeland geperst door Garrod and Lofthouse? (De eerste Beatles-platen in Nederland werden verpakt in Engelse hoezen.) is het vinyl dik en zwaar? Dan zou je wel eens een eerste persing kunnen hebben.

Dan kan je nog gaan kijken naar matrix-nummers, maar dat is lastige materie.

Bij Engelse en Duitse persingen kan je nog kijken naar labelvarianten. In Nederland hebben ze de hele jaren 60 door dezelfde labels gebruikt. Op internet zijn wel sites te vinden met al die kleine details waar je op moet letten.

Ik ben van een Beatles-plaat uitgegaan, omdat ik me daar aardig in verdiept heb, maar veel van bovenstaande geldt ook voor andere artiesten.
 

This is a tricky one, but I'll give it a try :-)

There are a few things you can look at:

Release numbers:
This limits the search. If you have a record issued by an EMI company, you already have an idea of the decade in which the record was released. In the sixties, EMI used different numbering methods: Columbia differed from Parlophone. From 1969 EMI used the same system for all sub-labels: 5C 062 -04219 where the 5 before the C indicates the country. The 0 of 062 indicates that it is vinyl and the 62 of 062 is a kind of price code. The last 5 digits form a unique identification number.
In the 1980s the 5C was replaced by 1A.

Example: The above release number is from The Beatles LP Please, please me. The Dutch stereo release.

The first Dutch stereo pressing from 1963 had the release number PCS 3042
Reprints from the 1970s, so 5C 062-04219
Reprints from the 1980s, so 1A 062-04219

So if you have one of the last two, look no further. You have a repress.

If you have one with release number PCS 3042, then it is important to do further research, because in the 1960s there were regular updates.

Then view the cover. Does it have folded edges at the back? Is the front laminated? Was the cover pressed in England by Garrod and Lofthouse? (The first Beatles records in the Netherlands were packaged in English sleeves.) Is the vinyl thick and heavy? Then you could have a first pressing.

Then you can still look at matrix numbers, but that is difficult material.

With English and German pressings you can still look at label variants. In the Netherlands they used the same labels throughout the 1960s. There are sites on the internet with all those little details that you have to pay attention to.

I've gone with a Beatles record because I've done quite a bit of research on it, but much of the above applies to other artists as well.

Thanks for the extensive response. I am familiar with the 5c, 1a and PCS. But usually there are a few numbers and letters behind such as eg; 1 Y 2,1Y1, A 2 or A1. Do these indicate the re-pressing?

Yes, that's possible. The following site explains exactly what the codes mean in the run-out groove for English Beatles pressings. I suspect that other companies worked like that too.

http://www.yokono.co.uk/collection/beatles/uk/guide_lp_g_parlo.html

Just scroll through until you reach matrix number.

To know if you have an early or maybe even a first pressing, it is also important how was the album originally released.

the cover version

the inner sleeve

posters etc.

then you can sometimes do something with the release number see explanation French

matrix number can sometimes help but even the label can help.

For example, with Capitol albums USA you can see from the label whether it comes from the west or east coast

But take this item 23558 are so many variations of that only connoisseurs of the item can see it and even then.

This one is easier if you have the English version 1401029 the advantage is that here the covers in the initial period are numbered starting at 000.001

But that does not determine whether it is the first pressing of the vinyl.

But take this item 23558 are so many variations of that only connoisseurs of the item can see it and even then.

The images 2 and 3 do not correspond with the image in any case. The release number is not the same.

2 and 3 are clearly from different versions, so I think I should get rid of one. And Dick knows exactly which one.

Arco I'll see how I meant that.

@ Arco and Frans, I do not belong to the real connoisseurs I have never had the original as far as I know and somewhere in the late 60s I did not know what value that thing had, think it is a horrible cover cheap clumsy when I got it could have bought.

but put Vee-Jay on the stereo cover as release number SR 1062

the album received VJLP 1062 see the link in the details field

Introducing The Beatles

The mono version was not given a number on the front cover

I also indicated that the first 2 scans are forgeries, the third where it came from?

lost some confusion?

see that the experts are still not sure about it.

we can create an archive on the matrix numbers of some countries, including England, Germany, the Netherlands and USA

Dick52's notes are therefore part of it such as;

cover version

inner cover

attachments

As long as Catawiki is expanding, developing it will be difficult. There will be quite a few ideas to show, among other things, short descriptions of artists, also from the labels, record companies, etc. But for the time being I don't see this happening. In any case, when entering an item, start with scans that are as clear as possible and also include scans with your own copy.You can then provide an item with at least 6 scans and a picture often says more than 1000 words.You can record it in your own collection at particularities. This way you slowly but surely create an archive.

As an example I have 2 LPs of Pink Floyd - Atom heart mother

1: SHZE 297A // HM 14349-2-Y (side A) manual

2: SHZE 297 A 1F (side A) machined

Which is the 1st?

And if possible, try to pay close attention to the color of the scan. It would be nice if the scan / photo matches the original as closely as possible.

Considering the fact that there are many variations of some plates, the color also seems very important for the distinction.

1: SHZE 297A // HM 14349-2-Y (side A) manual

2: SHZE 297 A 1F (side A) machined

Can't you squeeze anything with this? make scan place them on catawiki if necessary only in your own collection seem to me German pressings but can also be Dutch

Here we can not add anything in full first if it is not yet in the catalog

Now there is quite a lot of Pink Floyd to be found, but a lot of them have been sold too, so rare?

They are German pressings, both cover and LP

now place scans of cover and label is the only possibility to see what you indicate that the 2 different items are also in the cover and what is extra?

I am a big proponent of creating an archive of matrix numbers, but unfortunately I really lack the time to make a significant contribution.

I am a big proponent of creating an archive of matrix numbers, but unfortunately I really lack the time to make a significant contribution.

Frans it is a nice idea but there is still so much behind this, when I see the question from him you can not do anything with it?

as you know pink floyd can be found reasonably to very well on the net look how many items catawiki already has from them but it is a multiple of think 100 times only of this group and maybe you will succeed UK Netherlands Belgium France but there are still many more countries you know if it is an early pressing, but in a recent sleeve or vice versa, that is again data

let's take care of the tracks first

Matrix numbers, isn't that the numbers that are 'scratched' in the border around the label?

If all plates in the CataWiki database have to be provided with matrix numbers, then it will indeed take you a very long time. Even if you ask each importer to check their own records.

Are those numbers listed somewhere? That would make a big difference indeed. Someone must have made a website out of it, right?

And are matrix numbers unique for each plate? If so, then keeping track of those numbers makes no sense, because then you literally have to keep track of all the records and then CataWiki becomes really useless.

You will learn more and more with these kinds of topics.

And are matrix numbers unique for each plate?

No of course not. Plates were pressed in batches. Each batch has its own matrix number. The first pressing can therefore be traced, but each record company used its own system.

Daarnaast is ook niet te achterhalen hoeveel platen er geperst werden van elke matrix. en stel dat dat er 1000 zijn (en het zijn er meer)

Is de 999 exemplaar beter dan het 10 exemplaar van  de nieuwe matrix?

het is aan slijtage onderhevig.

Het is leuk zoals bij de mono Rubber Soul waar de eerste matrix werd vervangen wat ook bij Revolver (beide Beatles persingen in UK ) omdat men het niet eens was met de mix maar dat is de uitzondering en hoeveel zijn er dan al verschenen geperst?

zodra deze albums op de markt zouden komen was het allen hens aan dek dus heel veel exemplaren lagen klaar.

net als de Yesterday and today  lp alleen daar was de hoes belangrijk niets geen matrixnummer

In addition, it is also impossible to find out how many plates were pressed from each matrix. and suppose there are 1000 (and there are more)

Is the 999 copy better than the 10 copy of the new matrix?

it is subject to wear.

It's nice like with the mono Rubber Soul where the first matrix was replaced and also with Revolver (both Beatles UK pressings) because they didn't agree with the mix but that's the exception and how many have been pressed?

as soon as these albums would come on the market it was all hands on deck so a lot of copies were ready.

just like the Yesterday and today lp only there the cover was important nothing no matrix number

Well this matter is difficult to keep up with.

How do you know which attachment (s) belong to an LP.

With certain albums it is simply known which contribution is included, but even that sometimes differs, with the same pressings, even sleeves may have different release numbers compared to the vinyl.

Sometimes more covers are pressed than vinyl than the new vinyl is put in the old cover, and the inner covers can also be different.

So an unambiguous answer is unfortunately not possible

It is important for the importer that he fills in as much information about his plate as possible, because then you can also read what belongs to it.

You do not have the space to place the attachment on the photo with the item. Front cover, Back cover and Label are already 3 images, so please guess that you can find the additional images at collectors. Provided you can find the right collector when there are many collectors.

It is also useful to state the matrix number in the details, but many people forget this or they cannot read it. Entering a new record has already taken a lot of time.