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Everyone can indicate on this item which item should be removed and why. The item is of course carefully viewed by the Catalog Managers and they ultimately make the decision.

I couldn't find this topic anywhere here, so I'll do it here. Would someone from the administrators 1263281 Delete 100 pigs to Beirut? Nothing has been entered of this item (almost nothing) and there is actually one not allowed and irrelevant image.

Ik weet niet of het hier vermeld moet worden of bij de berichten over de afbeeldingen, maar aangezien ik daar meerdere onderwerpen over heb zien staan, doe ik het hier.

Zou iemand de derde afbeelding van deze platenbox willen verwijderen ? Het is duidelijk een plaat die er niet bij hoort. Misschien spelen ze wel hetzelfde, maar die plaat komt uit Engeland en niet uit Duitsland en het releasenummer klopt niet

I don't know if it should be mentioned here or in the posts about the images, but since I've seen several threads on that, I'll put it here.

Would someone mind removing the third image from this record box ? It is clearly a record that does not belong. Maybe they play the same thing, but that record is from England and not from Germany and the release number is wrong

The box number is the same!

You are correct with the country of origin, that is indeed not W Germany.

Year did you change? why?

There are many examples that cover / box comes from somewhere else and the vinyl

Appointment is Label is leading so indeed country was wrong,

had you can adapt like this

I think Dick is right: The box is made in West Germany, and partly distributed with records made in England (which Meteiz has imported) and partly with records made in West Germany (you have are).

The English record also contains the release number of that box, so no reason to doubt that it was so spread out.

The fact that you have all German versions is not illogical: German versions will then be distributed in the Netherlands.

You can enter yours as a new item.

Grappig dat bij de boxen we dan wel het releasenummer dat tussen haakjes onder het andere releasenummer gebruiken ! Dat is inderdaad gelijk aan het nummer op de box en er staat ook set achter. Misschien omdat het origineel een Duitse box is, maar gebruikt met Engelse platen dat het releasenummer zo verschilt. Dat zie je wel vaker bij platen die in een andere versie (ander label, ander land of iets anders) ook voorkomen. Dan drukt men vaak tussen haakjes het originele releasenummer er ook op. Hier is het dus iets anders.

Normaal gebruiken labels vaak het releasenummer en zetten er een extra nummer achter bij meerdere platen, zoals dan in dit geval bijvoorbeel 2721 131-1, 2721 131-2, enz. Wat ze ook wel eens doen is doornummeren, zoals 2721 131, 2721 132, 2721 133, enz. Dat komt dan in de Catalogus als 2721 131-133. Nogmaals dat zie ik hier dus niet aan.

Maar het jaartal moet toch echt 1977 zijn, aangezien dat ook in het bijbehorende boekje staat. Zoals uitgelegd zijn die boxen uitgegeven ter gelegenheid van de 200-jarige sterfdag van Beethoven en dan kan een plaat toch niet al in 1970 uitkomen !? Misschien wel in dat jaar opgenomen, want ik heb ook dat jaartal op mijn platen staan.

Of de plaat is wel uit dat jaartal, maar de box niet. Dan moet toch in dat geval het jaartal van de box gebruikt worden ?

Ik zal kijken of ik mijn versies (de tracks doe ik geleidelijk aan, het is altijd ingewikkeld met klassieke platen) vanavond kan invoeren.

Funny that with the boxes we use the release number in brackets below the other release number! That is indeed the same as the number on the box and it also says set behind it. Maybe because the original is a German box but used with English plates that the release number is so different. You often see that with records that also appear in a different version (another label, another country or something else). Then the original release number is often printed between brackets. So here it is something different.

Normally labels often use the release number and put an extra number after it with multiple records, such as in this case 2721 131-1, 2721 131-2, etc. What they sometimes do is numbering consecutively, such as 2721 131, 2721 132 , 2721 133, etc. That will then appear in the Catalog as 2721 131-133. Again, I don't see that here.

But the year must really be 1977, since that is also stated in the accompanying booklet. As explained, those boxes were issued on the occasion of the 200th anniversary of Beethoven's death and then a record cannot be released in 1970!? Maybe recorded in that year, because I also have that year on my records.

Or the record is from that year, but the box is not. Then the year of the box must be used in that case, right?

I'll see if I can put in my versions (I do the tracks gradually, it's always complicated with classical records) tonight.

It's "very simple," folks.

If an item is a description of a single album, the year is that of the album. If the item is a box with items that in turn all have a record sleeve, then the year the box was released is what must be entered at Year. In that case, a carrier should never be visible for boxes as image 3, at most an overview photo of all items in the box: albums, booklets and the like, or a so-called 'pack shot' of the box.

At Specials, the content of the box can be described exhaustively (please even) and of course comments can be made if it appears that the content of the box is sometimes different. As long as the box (the box / folder or other wrapping) is identical, a separate item will never be created for different content.

The Release number field for a box is always the release number of the box, never of anything from the content.

Afspraak is dat releasenummer van drager bepalend is dus ook bij een box!

nu is het probleem van dit soort boxen welke ter gelegenheid van iets worden uitgebracht deze vaak een eigen box nummer krijgen.

bij dit item.

zal vermoedelijk 3 reeds bestaande albums toegevoegd zijn.

Het probleem zit eigenlijk in de hoeveeelheid scans welke je kan laten zien.

Daarnaast zouden de afzonderlijke albums dus in catalogus kunnen worden gezet.

en dan verwijzing dat de items bij die box hoorde dus linken aan de box.

Dit is een simpele oplossing.

Alleen en dat komt helaas regelmatig voor dat een drager verpakt is in eenvorige hoes

(men was reeds door de hoezen heen en stopte het vinyl gewoon in een andere hoes)

Daarnaaast heb je dan ook nog het probleem dat een drager in Nederland geperst werd en er een UK hoes of Duitse hoes werd verpakt

Bij Bijzonderheden kan de inhoud van de box uitputtend worden beschreven (graag zelfs) en kunnen uiteraard opmerkingen worden gemaakt als blijkt dat de inhoud van de box soms afwijkend is. Zolang de box (de doos/map of ander omhulsel) identiek is wordt nooit een apart item aangemaakt voor afwijkende inhoud. 

hier sla je de plank mis de drager is het uitgangspunt niet de hoes.

Al veel eerder heb ik aangegeven dat bij platen vooral albums we het eigenlijk over 2 items hebben hoes en drager en die zijn vaak door elkaar gebruikt.

voorbeelden

The agreement is that the release number of the carrier is decisive, so also with a box!

now the problem with these kinds of boxes that are released on the occasion of something is that they often get their own box number.

with this item.

presumably 3 existing albums will be added.

The problem is actually in the amount of scans you can show.

In addition, the individual albums could therefore be put in a catalogue.

and then reference that the items belonged to that box, so link to the box.

This is a simple solution.

Alone and unfortunately that happens regularly that a carrier is packed in a previous cover

(they had already gone through the covers and just put the vinyl in another cover)

In addition, you also have the problem that a carrier was pressed in the Netherlands and a UK cover or German cover was packaged

Under Particulars, the contents of the box can be described exhaustively (please even) and comments can of course be made if it appears that the contents of the box sometimes deviate. As long as the box (the box/folder or other envelope) is identical, a separate item will never be created for deviating content.

you are missing the point here, the carrier is the starting point, not the cover.

I have indicated much earlier that with records, especially albums, we are actually talking about 2 items, cover and carrier, and they are often used interchangeably.

examples

Hi Dick,

Sorry, I've heard by now that not everything I said is commonplace in Music. For example, I encounter such exceptions in various sections and I immediately map them out when I encounter them - as now. But it is where we would like to go: with individual albums everything is described in detail from that album, and with boxes it is described exactly what you can find in such a box. But it is too early to clarify this in more detail. I will definitely come back to it soon.

@ Arco,

Geen punt:

maar wat ik eerder aangaf platen of beter gezegd distributie bedrijven keken niet zo nou.

Naast het gegeven dat soms de vraag te groot was voor het betreffende land.

En voor wat de muziek die op een lp stond (uitzonderingen buiten beschouwing gelaten) maakt het niet uit of die lp nu uit Spanje of Nederland kwam.

En met boxen heb je gelijk daar kunnen de lp's los verschijnen of eerder gezegd gevuld worden met.

In een ver verleden heb ik al wel eens aangegeven dat 3 scans eingelijk ontoereikent zijn.

probeer dat een beetje te ondervangen door bij eigen scans ook wat andere scans te plaatsen, of bijlage.

maar een box met stel 9 lp's is het lastig om een scan van 9 lp's te maken in een plaatje

alleen voor de hoezen heb je dan al 1m2.

Maar we komen er met ze allen wel uit. 

@ arco,

No point:

but what I said before records or rather distribution companies didn't look that well.

In addition to the fact that sometimes the demand was too great for the country in question.

And for the music that was on an LP (excluding exceptions), it does not matter whether that LP came from Spain or the Netherlands.

And with boxes you are right, the LPs can appear separately or rather be filled with.

In the distant past I have already indicated that 3 scans are actually insufficient.

try to overcome that a bit by placing some other scans or attachments with your own scans.

but a box with a set of 9 LPs, it is difficult to make a scan of 9 LPs in a picture

only for the covers you already have 1m2.

But we'll all get through it.

Maar het is wel waar we graag heen willen: bij losse albums wordt alles tot in den treure beschreven van dát album, en bij boxen wordt exact beschreven wat je in zo'n box kunt aantreffen.

Dus eigenlijk linken aan de reeds bestaande losse albums.

Vandaar mijn verzoek herhaaldelijk in het overleg om tracks simpel 1 op1 over te kunnen zetten.

Wat DM al aangaf bij klassiek is het een crime (tijd rovend) om tracks juist toe te voegen.

neem dit album niet klassiek of wel? en daarvan is deze dan redelijk gevuld

Zou dus mooi zijn als je deze invoer ineens kan overzetten bij de andere album (tracks)

But it is where we would like to go: with separate albums everything is described in detail from that album, and with boxes it is described exactly what you can find in such a box.

So actually linking to the already existing separate albums.

Hence my request repeatedly in the consultation to be able to transfer tracks simply 1 to 1.

As DM already indicated with classic, it is a crime (time-consuming) to add tracks correctly.

don't take this album classical or do you? and it is then reasonably filled

So it would be nice if you could transfer this input to the other album (tracks) at once

I just photographed my plates and came up with a sort of interim solution. There are 2 versions of these Beethoven Edition. A 1970 edition and a 1977 edition. The 1970 version is probably the more luxurious version, because it was released in 12 volumes and the record sleeves are all decorated. Unfortunately I don't have extra space to show them, but I will post the link to my online photos (photos taken with my mobile) soon, so that it becomes clear what I mean.

Funny is that the plates have the year 1962 in their matrix code (engraved on the plate). Have they waited so long to publish?

@ Dick52 : Since when have The Beatles been releasing classical music? I think something is going wrong with your links. Of course they are all Beatles classics, but that is different from Classical Music.

Another addition: With the Beethoven Edition 1970 the red record box is completely covered with paper and the title and box name are in white and with the Beethoven Edition 1977 the text is in the image itself. With the 1977 edition there is only a whole picture on the front and a slightly smaller piece of paper on the back, so you can see the red box well.

Again, I will add the 1970 version and then the difference is very clear. In that version (I have number 1) is an extra paper with the announcement of the other parts with images.

Shall we wait for DM to post his item?

@DM

The 1970 version is probably the more luxurious version

That is not possible 77 is a reissue.

Or would it be the case that this box was manufactured for the English, French and Italian markets? and also in 1970?

It is funny that the plates have the year 1962 in their matrix code (engraved on the plate). Did they wait so long before publishing?

Probably will be the original release / recording!

very important in this case is the label!

Again, I'll add the 1970 version and the difference will become clear. In that version (I have number 1) is an extra paper with the announcement of the other parts with images.

Also use the scans in your own collection you can place at least 2 extra scans !

@ DM is het deze? 5064931

Zal morgen bij daglicht betere scans proberen te maken maar heb niet zo vaste hand

@DM is it this one? 5064931

Will try to make better scans tomorrow in daylight but don't have a steady hand

The English band ABC has an item from 1976 with the catawiki number 5754821 . This is not possible because ABC was only founded in 1977. After some research I found out that this item is from a Russian quintet called Kvintet ABC. Perhaps by moving you to a new Band called Kvintet ABC or ABC (Russia) or something. Because this is confusing.

You could have done it yourself.

P.S. Unfortunately the Russian alphabet does not work in this section.