Coins/Coin Alexander the Great9 messages

Have been looking for a long time for someone who can help me with the valuation of a special coin.

It is a gold coin of Alexander the Great (Macedonia) from around 340 BC. The front has an image of ADG (like many others) but on the back you see a seated lady (special), this coin was bought on a stock exchange in Germany in 1934. After that this coin was never seen at an auction again. 2000 guilders were paid for it. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Tomas,

Based on this description, there are still many possibilities, but we are probably talking about a Thracian coin with a seated Athena on the reverse, like these examples:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sg/sg1661.html

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sg/sg1671.html

The value is highly dependent on the condition. If Very Fine then somewhere between 600 to 1200 Euro. If the coin is (almost) FDC then it is of course worth considerably more ...

Mvg,

Chijanofuji

Chijanofuji

Thank you for your response, this is something different. I know the links you send. If you know about it, I can email an image ....

Mvg

Tomas

Why not put it in the Catawiki catalog instead of emailing it? I am actually also curious about what it looks like

It is not convenient to put a coin (or token, or counterfeit, ...) in the catalog that you know nothing about. I think Chijanofuji can determine which coin it is from photos, and then the coin can be put in the catalog.

Tomas,

If you can take a picture, I will indeed find out which coin it is exactly.

Mvg,

Chijanofuji

I have a series of photos, where do I send them?

Tomas

Tomas,

See my private message.

Mvg,

Chijanofuji

Tomas,

Ik heb de munt inmiddels geidentificeerd en met volledige beschrijving in Catawiki gezet (Catawiki nummer: 1548295)

Geen Alexander de Grote dus, maar daarom zeker niet minder interessant!

Het is een zeldzame gouden Stater van de Aetolische (Aitolische) Bond (Aetolian League) geslagen tussen 279 en 168 v.Chr.

Voorzijde:

Hoofd van Pallas Athene met helm en hangende oorbel naar rechts. Op de helm een opgerolde serpent.

Keerzijde:

Aitolia met skepter/speer en Nike zittend naar rechts op stapel schilden. Voor haar voeten staat een kleine mannelijke figuur met een speer. In linkerveld: AITOLON in griekse letters. Monogram in afsnede.

Informatie over de Aetolische Bond vind je hier:

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetolische_Bond

Twee typen van deze munt staan vermeld in de Catalogus van het Britse Museum:

Zie: http://www.chijanofuji.com/BMCCatAetolia1.jpg

Maar jouw munt komt niet exact overeen met deze typen, hoewel hij wel veel meer lijkt op de beschrijving van de 2e.

Hier is de afbeelding van het exemplaar van type 1 uit het Britse Museum:

http://www.chijanofuji.com/BMCspecimen.jpg

Op die variant dus geen kleinde staande figuur voor de voeten van Aitolia. Hoewel niet erg duidelijk is die er bij jouw munt wel.

Zoals ik bij de bijzonderheden van in de catawiki-entry van jouw munt heb vermeld is 1 specifiek exemplaar van dit type munt dat heel erg op die van jou lijkt drie maal geveild (in 1991, 2002 en 2003):

-Numismatic Fine Arts XXVI (14 August 1991), kavel 72, opbrengst $3500.
-Classical Numismatic Group, Inc., Mail Bid Sale 60 (22 May 2002), kavel 509, opbrengst $3600
-Classical Numismatic Group, Inc., Mail Bid Sale 64 (24 September 2003), kavel 174, opbrengst $3850.

Hoewel deze munt niet 100% identiek is aan jouw munt (Pallas Athene heeft op dat exemplaar o.a. geen mooie hangende oorbel) en jouw munt veel meer slijtage vertoont aan de keerzijde, zou dit je een goede indruk van de waarde moeten geven...

Je kunt de laatste 2 veilingen van deze munt bij CNG online op de volgende plaatsen vinden:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=31929

en

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=31907

Behalve in de BMC Catalogus (Vol 7, Thessaly to Aetolia, Aetolia #1 en #2) worden exemplaren van dit type Aetolische gouden stater overigens ook vermeld in :

-"Syllogue Numismatique Greque (SNG) Copenhagen", Vol 13,  Aetolia-Euboea. (1944), #1 ,

-Een veilingcatalogus van Naville Co, getiteld "Monnaies Grecques Antiques provenant de la Collection de feu le prof. S. Pozzi." (4 April 1921, Geneve), kavel #1323,

Zie http://www.chijanofuji.com/Pozzi1323.jpg

(bij de online versie van deze veilingcatalogus ontbraken helaas net enkele pagina's waaronder die met de afbeelding van deze munt... )

en in een artikel over Aetolia van A.J. Reinach in "Journal International d’Archéologie Numismatique (JIAN)", Vol XIII, (1911), #33.

Zie: http://www.chijanofuji.com/JIANp198.jpg

Mvg,

Chijanofuji

Thomas,

I have now identified the coin and put it in Catawiki with a full description (Catawiki number: 1548295 )

No Alexander the Great, but certainly no less interesting!

It is a rare gold Stater of the Aetolian (Aitolian) League (Aetolian League) minted between 279 and 168 BC.

Front:

Head of Pallas Athene with helmet and hanging earring to the right. A coiled serpent on the helmet.

Reverse:

Aitolia with sceptre/spear and Nike sitting right on stack of shields. At her feet is a small male figure with a spear. In left field: AITOLON in Greek letters. Monogram in trim.

Information about the Aetolian League can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetolian_Bond

Two types of this coin are listed in the Catalog of the British Museum:

See: http://www.chijanofuji.com/BMCCatAetolia1.jpg

But your coin does not exactly match these types, although it is much more like the description of the 2nd one.

Here is the image of the type 1 specimen from the British Museum:

http://www.chijanofuji.com/BMCspecimen.jpg

In that variant, therefore, no small standing figure at Aitolia's feet. Although not very clear, it is there with your coin.

As I mentioned in the details of your coin's catalog entry, 1 specific example of this type of coin very similar to yours has been auctioned three times (in 1991, 2002 and 2003):

-Numismatic Fine Arts XXVI (August 14, 1991), lot 72, proceeds $3500.
-Classical Numismatic Group, Inc., Mail Bid Sale 60 (May 22, 2002), lot 509, proceeds $3600
-Classical Numismatic Group, Inc., Mail Bid Sale 64 (September 24, 2003), lot 174, proceeds $3850.

Although this coin is not 100% identical to your coin (Pallas Athene does not have a nice hanging earring on that example) and your coin shows much more wear on the reverse side, this should give you a good impression of its value...

You can find the last 2 auctions of this coin at CNG online at the following places:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=31929

and

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=31907

Besides in the BMC Catalog (Vol 7, Thessaly to Aetolia, Aetolia #1 and #2), specimens of this type of Aetolian gold stater are also mentioned in :

-"Syllogue Numismatique Greque (SNG) Copenhagen", Vol 13, Aetolia-Euboea. (1944), #1 ,

-An auction catalog from Naville Co, titled " Monnaies Grecques Antiques provenant de la Collection de feu le prof. S. Pozzi . " (April 4, 1921, Geneva), lot #1323,

See http://www.chijanofuji.com/Pozzi1323.jpg

(Unfortunately, the online version of this auction catalog was missing just a few pages, including the one with the image of this coin... )

and in an article on Aetolia by AJ Reinach in "Journal International d'Archéologie Numismatique (JIAN)", Vol XIII, (1911), #33.

See: http://www.chijanofuji.com/JIANp198.jpg

Best regards,

Chijanofuji