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The Police - Zenyatta mondatta (vinyl), 4 of the 5 versions seem to be the same.

Only the SP4831 is a Canadian version.

The rest Dutch but where the differences are very unclear.

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November 13, 2012 19:14

Reggatta de Blanc

Again the result of incorrect input and look carefully at the scans you cannot read everything

seems an A3 scanner used

merge is already a solution, but then a small piece of the sleeve is missing, label can be read

there is another problem this 950297 received the Netherlands through Catawiki

and placed Pete scan label.

which is a bit softening, they are for Catawiki standards quite early imports

That W German, it will be?

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November 13, 2012 19:20

Uh ... you are an administrator, so you can play marbles.

That so-called CD is of course just an LP, with an importer without a scanner who then just picks something up from the internet, because he doesn't care what kind of picture it says. It's a matter of smart merging and keeping the LP. The smallest problem is that a release number has been entered incorrectly. Right?

For reasons of which that CD is disregarded for a moment.

there is 1 scan and that is sufficient according to the guidelines, the past was in the manual. we expected our own scans of the item so that we are also sure that the item exists, but I don't see that anymore?

even with every electrical device it says: search for faults,

plug in wall socket (wall socket)

and I do not have much management rights but I am a very simple administrator

(I have often indicated enough that an item cannot be approved with 1 scan) end last year I indicated that I now go for quality.

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as soon as you as administrators keep track of the new input and immediately reject anything that is not good. Is not meant to be a criticism, but I think it is the only way in which you can slowly but surely surface the leak.

We are quite behind due to the conversion, already indicated by FransS

Immediately disapprove I did it, then got a comment from Rene that I was telling the importer badly about it.

While I know that there are currently importers who everything perfectly complete with 3 scans input complete with tracks etc.

And also if your inputers point out why you want the input so 3 scans etc, a hearing is usually indicated.

but also lack of administrators

just go on 20 tracks on a CD you keep scrolling

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November 13, 2012 19:30

Sorry, Fat, you really sound too helpless to me.
Agree that at least the 2nd image should be required as soon as possible, and I really don't understand why that still hasn't happened. But you have been trying to email importers for some time now, who often never even respond. And before you know it, other users are hanging on to the items in question.

Just make short work of it and reject that bite.
My experience is that after a few rejections, users suddenly start entering a lot better.

For example, I just disapproved 4 books from one user who posted images as small as postage stamps, or even smaller. It is of no use to anyone, and we do it here 'for everyone'.

And what pegag means, in my opinion, is the way we roughly work at Comics: keep track of the new input every day and use extra time for the backlog. Something like that. Then your tap will not continue to leak.

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Not helpless, but 2 scans are not enough, take the police, the German and Dutch cover are just the same, the vinyl determines the country, hence the 3 scans

I really don't call that for nothing

here's an example

493261 really isn't the best example entered by Dick52

3193197 the cover is really the same only the vinyl is not release number

and I also disapprove, but I first try to guide someone who is new before I tell it out.

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November 13, 2012 19:39

But if you start with the obligation of 2 scans, then you have at least largely lost all internet picture pickers. Saves a lot of heart palpitations. That third scan remains debatable as many collectors don't want to put their precious vinyl or plastic on the scanner. With Comics or Books, people don't always want to scan the colophon. Because then they have to unfold the book.

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November 13, 2012 19:42

The Police - Zenyatta mondatta (vinyl), 4 of the 5 versions appear to be the same.

the problem is that the input is not verifiable 1 once you see the vinyl
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But if you start with the obligation of 2 scans, then at least you have largely lost all internet picture pickers. Saves a lot of heart palpitations. That third scan remains debatable because many collectors do not want to put their precious vinyl or plastic on the scanner.

Heart palpitations are not too bad Arco.

but you just need that third scan my advice is also generally take an old inner sleeve and just cut the inner hole a bit wider then you can scan or photograph it without the precious vinyl coming into contact with:

And I assume CD that is not damaged, we only ask for the label.

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That third scan remains debatable as many collectors don't want to put their precious vinyl or plastic on the scanner.

That is one of the arguments that it is better to take the step to 2 mandatory scans first. In addition to the fact that people can only have a single or 78 rpm record without the original cover (with 78 rpm records that is more the rule than the exception) and that certain carriers that we now have do not have a separate cover. And that some records or CDs are still sealed. And there are some more reasons.

I have often offered to start with 2 mandatory images. You can always ask for a 3rd if necessary.

Just make short work of it and reject that bite.

New importers do need to be given credit and get some help first.

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In addition to the fact that people can only have a single or 78 rpm record without the original cover (with 78 rpm records that is the rule rather than the exception) and that certain carriers that we now have do not have a separate cover.

Turn a blind eye (or in the handbook) with permission for 2 identical images. An administrator could delete 1 of the images after that.

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November 13, 2012 20:35

Q Rene

Turn a blind eye there (or in the manual) for 2 of the same images. An administrator could remove 1 of the images afterwards.

I use this argument all the time

You should have received an email last week about adding scans

Is a fairly large importer who has added quite a lot of CDs in the past. I then asked him to put everything in it, so 3 scans, so he already indicated a year and a half ago as soon as I have time.

He now has that time, in the meantime other collectors have sometimes supplemented the missing data, only that goes wrong!

It has a CD standard with 10 tracks originally, and the other had a special edition with 3 bonus tracks and added them but not with the missing scans.

Others have also put this item in their collection, so once he adjusts his original input with scans and tracks, it is no longer correct.

As a result, he re-enters his input for a large part, but the chance of double input is just very high, we have an agreement (administrators) that I handle his input, but as you just saw with those Police items, what do you judge on !

The story of singles and 78 rpm is not important at all scan 3 is the label usually the A side

once you add an item without a cover

scan1 Side A

scan 2 Side B

scan 3 standard label (usually side A)

does not give any more work and there is simply nothing duplicated

example why something goes wrong

3212453

could this be 2333635

but the cover is really only Dutch and is therefore this 753467

I emailed the entry of the first item 3 times, explained why I want 3 scans really fully explained 3 days ago response zero,,,,,zero

hence 3 scans.

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And CD that is not damaged I assume we only ask for the label.

The side of the label on a CD is just the most vulnerable side, Dick.

New importers must be given credit and must first be helped on their way.

@René: Yes, but that's what Dick does, he says?
I always give them one day to respond or recover.
And if they are unwilling, I disapprove, and send them to you when they complain. (;-)

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Arco, if it is really the most vulnerable, then you still have to leave the CD in a box that only has to be placed upside down on the scanner, it is also right away, you hardly have to update the scan, always legible

And after forwarding Rene I get an angry email from him that I seem to be creating crooked sentences

why I only want clear and correct input little things we will adjust

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@Dick,

As said before, I don't think we can oblige importers to add the same image in multiple positions. We don't do that anywhere else and it will confuse people who view such an item.

Unfortunately I cannot respond to all your emails. I am disappointed by that myself, but it is no different. I receive hundreds of them a day, partly as a result of the fact that the first 30,000 users received a welcome email from my email address. That was not very useful afterwards :-)

And after sending Rene I get an angry email from him that I seem to be creive with crooked sentences

That was not so much an angry response from me but a concerned one because I received e-mails from shocked importers whose input you had rejected and who did not understand your e-mails about it (textually). I could not read those e-mails from you myself and that is why I e-mailed you.

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@ Rene, you can give that obligation, I also did not ask if you responded to my email in this case, this came from a collector who indicated that he could / had to do extra work now.

If you look and I have previously indicated how many collectors and also the trade are now placing that third scan, I think you will get more than 90%, but that is on a voluntary contribution, so the problem is almost non-existent if you make it compulsory! But with the input with 1 or 2 scans you, as management, actually have to ask each time add those 3 scans I cannot assess and reject it I have no stick to say I want more than 1 scan that is not mandatory so reject it ?

The fact that it is not mandatory everywhere is not an argument, many sections are simply complete with 2 scans. stamps, sugar packets, flippos' cigar bands, etc. but you now see the story with books with the various editions.

But with records you just have 2 items cover and carrier and that cannot be picked up in 2 scans, take the example of the Kinks. This is just an incorrect entry, France is mentioned and you only see a Dutch cover, while the vinyl could well come from France, only that is already there!

It is just known that it didn't matter much where the girth or cover came from, they just put it together in the store as long as it was sold.

And an angry email from you, well then I'll just sleep one night and then it's over.

All that remains for me is I want a good catalog which is a useful instrument for the collector (dealer) to keep his collection optimal

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Since a few days I have found some time to enter my records and I regularly see that a 3rd scan (or good photo) makes an important difference.

To name a few examples;

* Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers, my version also comes from the Netherlands, but the label says "Stemra" without a square around it. Front and back covers are the same

*Rolling Stones- Beggars Banquet, my version is the Dutch one but vinyl is white

*Robert Palmer - Secrets , cover of the imported version is the same as mine, but my version has Sacem on the label so that it is not Dutch.

*The Police - Outlandos d`Amour , in my version the label is different from the already entered versions.

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Just come across an example of the added value of a 3rd image.

* Split Enz - True Colors 1914019 is from Australia according to importer,

but since I same album I can see that on the back photo / scan on the penultimate line it says "printed in Holland" and the vinyl makes it even clearer.

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With U2 - live under a blood red sky : 9989 and 850605 I see no difference.

Who would ?

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November 14, 2012 18:02

Image 3 has been added later at 9989 and exactly equal to 850605 They also both come (scan media) from collectedwim so you shouldn't look at that.

I can do it all not reading well enough.

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Image 3 was added later at 9989 and is exactly the same as 850605. They also both (scan media) come from collectwim , so you shouldn't look at that.

I think it was really the intention to introduce an item in such a way that the differences are fairly easy to spot and not "steal" from someone else just to get a fuller picture on CW

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November 16, 2012 21:51

@ Rene

now it's this again

@Dick,

As said before, I don't think we can oblige importers to add the same image in multiple positions. We don't do that anywhere else and it will be confusing for people who view such an item.

Last time it was you can't have 3 scans required when it was 78 trt often have no cover.

But what they all have tracks release number performer etc and these are stated or on the cover (often back) release number always on the label.

And the obligation only applies in that cases that the item only consists of the carrier and, as Frans has indicated earlier, not even 5promile = (0.5%) of the number of items

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Enigma - MCMXC aD

1493553

537353

Both" The Limited Edition "

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@wienthenwel,

release number is not the same so it is not duplicate.

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December 13, 2012 19:08
@antoniqStill both inlays have the same release nr.26209/cdvir 100777 7864232 9I think it is 1 release.Only the 1 only specified the top number as a releaseAnd the other only specified the bottom number
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