Comic books/The red knight / Bakelandt30 messages

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afrotje wrote:

Dear Experiment626,
Regarding: catawikinr 18491
The red knight album "the guild of thieves"
In the relevant item it is stated under "series (s) / hero (s): Bakelandt and the red knight
it is not clear to me what bakelandt is doing there?
Greetings, goodbye

answer Experiment626:

Hi final

I see you have the comic in your collection. Take it by the hand and take a closer look at the last picture of strip 36 :-)
mvg

reply to the end

Indeed, there is an image of Bakelandt. Seen very well. But whether this is enough to link this red knight album directly with Bakelandt, I think something about it.
In a certain Kiekeboe album (I have to look up the title) at the "funeral" of Kiekeboe a whole row of Belgian and American cartoon characters make their appearance at the grave. Does this Peek-a-boo album have to be linked with all series of those cartoon characters ???
I myself would possibly mention this under details.
With your approval, we might be able to throw this on the Catawiki forum and present the problem to the 100 owners and managers of Catawiki.

mvg

Kind regards

in the name of afrotje and experiment626

The intention of Catawiki is indeed that guest appearances are mentioned with the stories. This creates connections and in this case Bakelandt collectors discover that they should have this album in their collection. These cameos cannot be traced via Details.

That's how it was for many Suske & amp; Wiske collectors an eye-opener that a Suske & amp; Wiske strip.

Ondertussen het album van Kiekeboe gevonden: Afgelast wegens ziekte (album 50) catawikinr 17908

Op strookjes 60-61 zien we oa Lucky Luke, Asterix en Obelix, Kuifje,Batman, Popeye,Donald Duck en Snoopy staan aan het graf van Kiekeboe.

Moet dit dan allemaal vermeld worden bij het Kiekeboe album onder "series/helden" ???

Wordt dit dan op termijn geen ongelooflijke chaos?

Found the album of Peekaboo in the meantime: Canceled due to illness (album 50) catalog no. 17908

On strips 60-61 we see Lucky Luke, Asterix and Obelix, Tintin, Batman, Popeye, Donald Duck and Snoopy, among others, standing at the grave of Peekaboo.

Should all this be listed with the Peekaboo album under "series/heroes" ???

Isn't this going to be incredible chaos in the long run?

I would only mention it if the cameos in question were drawn by the original authors of those comics. If not, a mention at Particulars and possibly a curiosity link to the other series / heroes is sufficient.

I always would. How many albums are we talking about? 100?

But then good. I have the idea that 18491 is not filled in correctly? As it stands now, Hec Leemans also signed De Rode Ridder. Is that right? If not, it must be split into 2 stories and the correct authors must be matched to the correct hero.

Of course, it is always useful to explain these kinds of anomalies in Details, otherwise users and administrators tend to think that it is not correct. For example, I also see the name of Marc Sleen at 18491, but it is not clear to me why that is.

Still a few comments:

1) @ Boekenmagazijn: a curiosity link to the other series / heroes is not possible. You cannot link from 'comics' to 'comics' ...

2) @ Arco: Hec Leemans helped draw this story, more specifically by incorporating his own cartoon character 'Bakelandt' into it. Marc Sleen is also mentioned, because he also contributed to the same strip, but not with 'Nero', but with an unknown character. My reasoning is therefore the following: if Hec Leemans has drawn his own character there or not, the fact remains that (as far as this story is concerned) he contributed to De Rode Ridder.

Compare it with one artist drawing the backgrounds of a comic and another drawing the main characters of the same comic. They are also simply mentioned under the same story as 'the artists', however small their contribution may be.

3) @ Afrotje: Just like Arco, I always include it in the stories. How else could a Lucky Luke collector ever know that his hero is part of a Peek-a-boo story and that he was drawn there by Merho? That it can happen a little mess, then so be it. But if Merho ever signed Lucky Luke and if Marc Sleen and Hec Leemans ever collaborated on a De Rode Ridder story, then it is just so. Deciding not to list it because it doesn't look nice under the current database structure seems like a bridge too far.

Finally, Arco is right that I should have added some extra comments in the details field, in order to create more clarity. I'll make sure to do that for this story later this week.

I totally agree.

Who knows, maybe with the stories there will one day be the option to indicate that it is a cameo and that those stories are not shown in certain views. I think that is a better solution than leaving things out now.

A separate field to indicate that there are cameos in the album would of course be ideal, but that probably isn't for today (I suspect)

I also find it annoying if, for example, you have 50 Suske en Wiske comics and you have Rode Ridder comics where there are advertisements for Suske en Wiske in 40 albums that you then suddenly have 90 albums in your collection of Suske en Wiske, containing the Red Knight albums.

A reference is good, but the albums should not be visible and added to the wrong collection.

In your case that is apparently not nice, but there are also collectors who love it because it gives them a better insight into their collection. Who knows, maybe there will be a solution in terms of presentation .. It certainly has the attention.

I've been following this discussion for a while, and don't want to moan.

But it is my biggest annoyance that these silly things keep getting mentioned.
I already complained about this in the early days of Catawiki, and I am not surprised that there are more complaints.
The result is mainly that heroes are mentioned in my collection that I don't like at all, and that books turn up in places where I don't want to see them.

Never once have I thought, how nice, I did not know.
I know what is in my comics myself, because I have read them all.

Who are the collectors who would like to know in which red knight books all have a Suske en Wiske advertisement, I wonder.
Should this be taken into account at the expense of the normal red knight collectors?

Yes, that is taken into account, yes.
What silly things are to you is sensible information to someone else. To call this collector abnormal sounds very haughty.

This is exactly what a digital catalog can do and a paper version can never get it right. But there is nothing wrong with putting a better presentation on the wish list. Can we pick it up as soon as we start working on the story system.

By normal collectors I mean of course "the big group"
I will never call anyone abnormal, I think you know that yourself.

It seems to me that the Suske en Wiske collectors who would like to know that there is an advertisement of their heroes in 40 red knight books, is rather small compared to the large group of Suske en Wiske readers who are not interested at all.
And I'm not even talking about most Rode Ridder readers.

I find it quite haughty that the way my collection is displayed is determined by what I think is a very limited group of gourmets.

I agree with Arwin

If I view my suske and wiske collection or my red knight collection then I only want to see suske and wiske's or red knight's

Having the option to see any albums other than suske en wiske or red knight is okay and should be an option that you can select but now I can't see my suske and wiske's without the red knights and vice versa

I don't think I can turn off the addition of the red knights and I find that annoying when looking at my collection

Just to indicate how great my annoyance is.

Because of this I have stopped entering comics, both in the catalog and in my collection.
It has also been an eternity since I managed anything with the comics, I prefer to focus on other sections.
A few months ago I asked René to take me away as an administrator from the comics, but that still hasn't happened for some reason.
I'm really excited, because I've put a lot of time into the comics section in the past.

The more this kind of info is added, the less Catawiki is suitable for managing my comic collection.
That's how I look at it, and I think along with many "normal" comic collectors.

As far as I am concerned, they have gone overboard in entering info which can be quite fun for some (I admit).
It's more something for the specifics field.
Or there must be a separate field that has no influence on the display in your collection.
This just won't work.

Yes, and for others it is precisely the reason to start working with Catawiki.
So I like one more.

As I said, we must include this as a point of discussion in the narrative system we are setting up. Just a matter of patience, as is the case with so many wishes.

Because there are simply collectors who would like to know in which Red Knight parts also Suske en Wiske or Bakelandt occur, I think it should remain possible to include this information. It is true that there are also people who are annoyed that this information is also reflected in their collection.

I think there are two solutions for the latter:

1. Make it possible to indicate in your collection that you do not want to see certain series, authors, etc., so that as a Red Knight collector you no longer have to be annoyed by the fact that you indirectly also have a few Suske en Wiske strips. have.

2. For the comics in the catalog, make a distinction between the series that the comic primarily falls under and any heroes who appear briefly in that comic.

The second solution is more drastic, so I'm leaning towards the first (option to click a cross behind the series in your collection, you can easily make certain series invisible in your collection).

René, I am not concerned with the fact that there is a comic by another hero.
Then it makes sense that it should be mentioned.

What matters to me is how, for example, an ad is listed, and that therefore strange things appear in your collection.
And there are more things.
For example, Ron Streppel is listed as one of the screenwriters of Rip Kirby, because he coincidentally once wrote a foreword to the Rip Kirby books he published.
Nice for all fans of Ron Streppel, but it annoys me that a publisher is among the comic screenwriters I have collected.

Arco is probably right, it will be all right, a matter of patience.
Unfortunately, I have run out of patience for a while, also with regard to the magazines that are still listed.

For me, the comic section of Catawiki is unusable, and I will just ignore that.
Maybe I'll check later to see if there is any improvement.

Now that I am no longer an administrator at the comics (thanks for that) I will no longer get involved in this discussion.
I've said enough about this in the past.
At some point it will be ready, and that moment has been a while for me.

Misschien ook een voorbeeld geven, zodat de rest hier op het forum ook weet waar er nu juist over gediscussieerd wordt.

Het gaat dus om afbeelding 3 van item 18419.

Een kort stripje van Suske en Wiske in een album van De Rode Ridder.

Maybe also give an example, so that the rest here on the forum also knows what is being discussed.

It is therefore image 3 of item 18419 .

A short comic strip of Suske en Wiske in an album by De Rode Ridder.

@ Arwin,

Met mijn hierboven genoemde oplossing 1 bedoel ik dat je zo'n Ron Streppel dan kunt wegklikken in je verzameling. Heb je nooit meer last van hem. Zou het dan voor jou weer werkbaar worden?

Als je een andere oplossing hebt voor dat probleem hoor ik het natuurlijk ook graag. Ik vind persoonlijk wel dat zo'n S&W stripje in 18419 het catalogiseren wel waard is. Dus het is een kwestie van iets aanpassen in de interface lijkt me.

@Arwin,

With my solution 1 mentioned above I mean that you can click away such a Ron Streppel in your collection. Never bother with him again. Would it then become workable for you again?

If you have another solution to this problem, I'd love to hear it. I personally think that such a S&W strip in 18419 is worth cataloging. So it's a matter of adjusting something in the interface I think.

René, I have sent you an email about this, I will no longer respond.

People who use the comic catalog can do that.
I no longer use the comic catalog, so I will no longer interfere with the operation.

Not even via email, I think there are plenty of other things to discuss about sections that I still use and am an administrator. I don't want to spend any more time on this.

Fascinating discussion, of which the emotions apparently run high.

Problem is, everyone is right here:

Arco et al. That Catawiki is primarily an electronic catalog in which as much information as possible must be registered. Collectors of, for example, Hans Kresse would like to know where his pin fruits have been stored.

Arwin et al. Is also most right in the world that he only wants to see those items that are relevant to him in the overview of his collection. It is not interesting to most people that a strange cartoon character appears in an advertisement in his album.

The solution has already been mentioned: provide a flexible reporting tool as soon as possible. Every collector would like an overview of his collection in a form that he likes.

To give this top priority to Marco and his team, as the basis of Catawiki is formed by the collectors and the managers jointly. They are both indispensable.

Never thought there would be a commotion around this topic. If even "the" big boss "René is already involved in the discussion !!!

I'm not exactly sure how the curiosities link works (I'm just a modal collector of reading comics) but can't use that link to refer to - cameos (see Bakelandt in the red knight)

guest authors

-mini-comics from S & amp; W in the red knight

-enz

If this is possible then both the freaks and the regular collector are very satisfied

with Catawiki greeting

@Collectioneur

If we are talking about things that have top priority, then I can mention some other things.

A completely different set-up of how we will offer Catawiki in other languages, for example.
That's what really worries me.
The path used there can only be disastrous for the entire catalog.

I'm done with the comics, I've said enough about that in the past.
I believe that otherwise.

I 100% share that concern about Catawiki in other languages.
With the knowledge that I now have about the system, that will be a disaster.
And I'm not going to help solve that afterwards.