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The stamp under #2024613 is not real. The left side shows clear traces of cutting. The real stamp from the roll has two straight sides.
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This item, namely 2d. gray-green was issued on December 6, 1922. Perforation 15 x 14
The item 2d. imperforate x 14 was issued in November 1934.
The item 15 x imperforate was issued in 1934. 
The bad photo is inconclusive.
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Look at the left hand side. You see indents at top that are traces of perforations. The top margin is narrower than the bottom. The center is bulging. This is a cut down stamp. At bottom left, it appears to have no perforation. The righthand side looks cut as well and it looks as if the stamp is overlaid on a second stamp.

As for colours, every catalog uses its own. Hibernian (the authority on Irish stamps) calls it emerald green.
The imperforate x 14 was released September 1934,
The 15 x imperforate was released 1935, no 1934 dates are known.

Additionally, it is impossible to determine the smudgy year in the cancellation. Is it 36, 38, 28, or even 58?
I think it is 1938, which is late for this experimental coil printing.

The dull color, also, raises doubt about this stamp.

Blurry pictures already should be a warning. Accepting a blurry picture as an example of a very rare stamp essentially is accepting all without evidence.
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The issue dates come from Stanley Gibbons, a less reliable catalogue?
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Loriot Absolutely!

Stanley Gibbons is quite good. For GB, it's excellent. For Ireland, it is no match whatsoever to Hibernian that is much more detailed. It is the work of the expert on Ireland, Roy Hamilton Bowen FRPSL.
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Esquerdo 
would it not be possible to enter the numbers of the local catalog and address any discrepancies with other catalogs?  
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So the details of this stamp are correct, only the scan is unclear and perhaps a clipping of the stamp from 1922?. From the book most likely.
By the way, Michel indicates, 43 B vertically serrated 14, Sept 1934 and 43 C horizontally serrated 15, 1935
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Loriot personally, I do not see a problem with that, I think somethink like that would be a matter for the admins.

However, this is not very relevant to the issue at hand: a fuzzy picture that raises a lot of questions being accepted without scrutiny as an example of an extremely rare stamp.
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My question is not only meant for this item, but for all the items of Ireland.
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Charles1971 (apart from the Michel numbers for which I don't have the catalogue) correct. The 'perforation' is a bit unfortunate: 15 instead of 15 x unperforated, which does not appear in the selection list (but is included in the comments).

I can't tell you exactly what's going on with the stamp in the image. You see all kinds of indications that the stamp is not what it pretends to be. I also have my doubts about the postmark that seems to become oval at the top right. That may be an optical illusion, but I suspect someone cut a stamp and placed it over another stamp with a postmark that almost coincides before taking a poorly focused photo to disguise the tinkering.
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If you have a better copy of this stamp Esquerdo , feel free to change the scan. LastDodo is a catalog put together by collectors.
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Charles1971 Very few are known of this stamp. MNH is a few in an institutional collection. The only MNH copy available to collectors was available about four years ago. I think there are about fifteen of them with stickers. The used copies are also very scarce. I wish I had one in my collection. It could be very difficult to come across a scan of this.

However, the current image is most likely not a copy of this stamp.
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Esquerdo

2016 sold for 10,000 Euro
They are quite expensive stamps.
At LD there are 24 collectors, 7 of which are Mint Mint
I don't believe this.
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Apparently there are 24 collectors Lyonesse who own a cut copy. I rather believe that.
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There are 24 collectors at LD, 7 of which are Mint Mint
I don't believe this.

Rightly so, maybe they have them in their virtual collection. MNH can only be one. A well-known dealer had purchased that copy just before December 2020. My suspicion is that of the seven, none actually has the stamp in mint mint mint condition.

And I don't think out of the twenty-four will survive. It will also not be the first time that someone has overlooked the fact that this cylinder seal is toothless on the sides. But of course it is the centerpiece of an Irish collection.
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Esquerdo agree with what you notice about discrepancies in number of collectors that put a stamp in collection and don’t have it.

LD collection are used in many ways, some LD members record only what they have , other create a dream collection and doesn’t own any pricey stamps and other add a dream stamp to their actual collection writing sometimes in private that they will never have this stamp but some information on it.

All is fine this is freedom, for sure there are many virtual collections on LD after all I know stamps collectors that sold all their stamps and their only hobby is to create their virtual collections. 

Why to waste money anymore buying stamps , this is my actual thinking to sale all my stamps and marcophilia collection and to collect only virtually, same pleasure and great savings of money to offer a better life traveling with your wife or just pay the bills.
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Frenchstamps I agree. I think stamp collecting is there to be enjoyed. So, everyone should do it in the way he enjoys it most. For one that may be collecting virtual stamps, for the other that may be one of each value and design, and for yet another it is a specialised collection.
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