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Jilles vertigo @Tesseltje
The Other section now contains 14 art books as objects.
As series name: Kwadraat-blades.
Do they belong in Other? In other words, is it a book?
And if not, what are they?
Or should the object be changed to square-leaf here?
And there are also about 6 similar items at Books.
See as examples #10032497 #10032391 #10029519
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Kwadraat-Bladen
A series of experiments in print in the field of graphic design, visual arts, literature, architecture and music, published between 1955 and 1974 by Steendrukkerij de Jong & Co.
I think it belongs under Prints / graphics .
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See as examples #10032497 #10032391 #10029519

stripspeldjes buizer Jilles
The first 2 could indeed belong to Prints/graphics, but #10029519 really seems like a book.
It is also not said that all items in the Kwadraat magazine series belong in the same collection area.
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stripspeldjes Jilles vertigo
Just pointed this out.
Because I feel like something isn't 'right'.
Those 14 items in Other and those 6 in Books simply need to be looked at one by 1 by someone.
Who knows about it.
From books. From Other. From pictures/graphics.
And from quadrant sheets.
No more...
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I was planning to post my collection of Kwadraat-Bladen (33 out of 35) in LastDodo. Due to the information that was already available in LastDodo (both the books category and other), I placed my information in other, with the mention of art book.
Given the questions that arise, I have delved into it a little further. The Kwadraat-Bladen are considered a goodwill publication and are characterized by diversity in design, design and content. Similarities are its size and perfect technical implementation.
In a letter from 1973, GW Ovink characterized the Kwadraat-Bladen as 'cultural monuments'.
I regard the Kwadraat-Bladen as a related series and advocate including them in 1 category, 'other', where the object 'art book' can be replaced by 'art publication'. Or, as mentioned above, that the object becomes Square-Bladen.
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When I look at the Kwadraat-Bladen series, they are a kind of books with a number of pages.

vertigo stripspeldjes buizer Do you see any objections to moving them to the Books section?
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Do you see any objections to moving them to the Books section?

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Yes, some editions in that series are portfolios with a number of lithographs. Any enclosed text is only supportive. As stripspeldjes rightly suggested, such publications would rather belong to Prints/Graphics.
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I thought portfolios were loose-leaf, the squared pages looked like they were put together like a book.
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I thought portfolios were loose-leaf, the squared pages looked like they were put together like a book.

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The 1st thought is correct; the 2nd is not. As the importer already wrote, there is 'diversity in design, design and content'. Some are booklets, others are folders with lithographs, with or without accompanying text. I have also seen at least one folding sheet.

An incorrect classification in Other to keep the series together, as the importer wishes, seems to me to be the worst solution. I am in favor of dividing each item according to its nature, and if the items are in different collection areas they can be cross-referenced, for example by a connecting Background page.
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vertigo Collectioneur Tesseltje
The solution is simple and available.
You cannot really call these items books.
I don't think print/graphics are either.
Name them as objects as they are as vertigo indicates and place them in Other.
You want to be able to see them together.
This can still be done via the series field.
And if that is not possible for one reason or another.
Then use the Type field.
---> 'Here you can enter everything you want to sort the item by, but which you cannot enter in the other fields of this section.
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You cannot really call these items books.

buizer
Good thing you're not a Books manager.
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Sorry vertigo but we are on a forum here.
And here I can express my opinion/thoughts.
Everyone is free to think whatever they want.
And I am not an administrator in books, no.
But why did I start this thread?
To clarify tens...
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It's great that you give your opinion, but I find it very tiring when you start claiming things that are contrary to the facts. Then you do not create clarity, but then you are a will-o'-the-wisp.

So for example this #5606255 is not a book? (The number of pages is correct. I checked that)

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Mea culpa #5606255 is a book. So sorry, my apologies
But a forum also serves to correct the mistakes of will-o'-the-wisps.
I know people who make mistakes.
I know people who make very few mistakes.
I know people who don't make mistakes...
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vertigo buizer Collectioneur Tesseltje stripspeldjes

A beautiful subject introduced by buzzer. And now a nice explanation from Tesseltje what it all is. Very strange, never heard of it. I can understand that an enthusiast and connoisseur would want to keep something so unique together in a catalog and "square" together at the touch of a button. However, from the perspective of catalog rules, that is not ideal either. The catalog also has the so-called collection area link, if the squared editions are entered where they belong in terms of "object", then a careful link (you can use more than one) is also an option, right? In my opinion, this option is not used enough.
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buizer
Apology accepted. Perhaps I shouldn't have reacted so sharply. Sorry about that.

Harry56
I'm in favour.
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Well Harry56 that's possible.
Under Other the series now contains: Kwadraatblads (15 items).
Those 5 items at Books can also remain where they are.
Just add the word 'Kwadraat-blades' under Details
To this end, vertigo must give his blessing.
Select the home screen with the 73 categories.
Type 'quadrat-blades' in the search bar at the top.
And 1 click on the magnifying glass.
And Tesseltje and others can see all 20 together in a photo gallery.
So provide a 'common' factor/common word.

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buizer I mean something else, linking collection area.
Can what is in other now remain in place? Ergo, aren't there other categories for that? Because that's what it's all about, as little as possible in other things, right?
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Of course, you can always link it to another collection area.
But then click on the link.
You also get to see what is in that 'link'/collection area.
I would like to be able to view those 15 items under other and those 5 under books in one (1) photo overview. Like Tesseltje
If you know another way please...
Other is a category intended for all items for which there is not yet an (appropriate) category or categories that could soon be given their own category.
But that takes time and people...
And every now and then a new section is added.
Not noticed yet...
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'Ergo, aren't there any other sections for that?'
Naturally.
Then just tell me Harry56 which section they belong in...
Can Collectioneur move them like this...
But everyone has to be on the same page...
That's more than hard enough...



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You're right, I don't have enough insight into these art forms to indicate in which category they can be placed (except in a clear book form). Besides, I couldn't imagine it until I had them in my possession. By the way, a good and simple idea is to put square sheets in the comments.
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By the way, a good and simple idea is to put square sheets in the comments.

Harry56 buizer
I don't think that works well. I have already tested a bit, but I am not getting the desired result.
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vertigo buizer

That actually doesn't work well either. If I type squared sheets into the books magnifying glass, this is what I get:

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/search?type_id=139&q=Kwadraat-velden

and search the entire catalog: then only what is in other will appear.

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/search?q=Kwadraat-velden


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At Boeken the series is still called Kwadraat-Blad . You certainly don't find that with 2 letters too many.
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Correct, but Buizer suggested that I include the term 'Kwadraat-blades' in the Particulars and I did so. However, that solution does not appear to work.

It is indeed an idea to rename the Boeken series to Kwadraat-Bladen.
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