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I don't seem to be able to explain the required adjustment properly.
I hope someone else can do this, because this way there will be no adjustment to Music.

And that is very unfortunate. Sad even. Instead of looking for a good solution, there are only contradictions. Post about a guitarist who may or may not have played with a band. Whether or not it is mentioned…etc. Should be mentioned or not.
Whatever solution you come up with - and Collectioneur's is a good one - there will always be exceptions. Be creative: with a compilation album, put the artist in brackets after the song and it is linked. Happens with books.
Not everything can be controlled, live with that. Not even with a thousand photos
But let's just name the musicians who played on a song.
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June 03, 2023 17:14
Jilles Collectioneur vertigo Dick52
I suggest we have another physical administrator meeting. That yields more than the discussions on the forum. "Speak" a little easier...
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vertigo Jilles Collectioneur That's very simple.
You pick up a book, leaf through it and read it. Or scroll on PC.
And now it can be audiobook 1000 times; you can't browse it, you can't read it, just listen to it (audio).
And put it with music. There is a huge difference between seeing and hearing.
Visually impaired and blind people, for example, can only listen to a book.
And an isbn that is no longer only on books? Or is that not correct?
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And an isbn that is no longer only on books?

What else is it on?
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The item is an audio book that you enter under Books. You can also enter the associated CDs separately under Music, so without the book.
That seems to me like a children's radio play putting the vinyl record with the LP and the cover with the children's books.

I don't have a principled position on audiobooks, but given the fields available for the description of the physical item, the music section seems most appropriate.
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Just google the ISBN meaning
... identification of books and related products
Whatever that may be related products.
But an 'audio book/audio book can therefore be such a related product.
So all books have an isbn number?
Also books that are 'part' of a particular item.
eg the 'newsstand editions': model cars with an accompanying book about the real car.
What does the isbn number refer to? The whole? Single book? Book isbn and auto an ean?
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I only now see that a “Narrator” field appears once you select the Audiobook type. Was that always the case?
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stripspeldjes No, just new
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Jilles Collectioneur FransS vertigo e Forgotten
For me audiobook is audio (music spoken word)
Only the word book refers to books
But we don't put music cassettes with cassettes either, do we?
But I think so!
also with music video/film
when I buy it, it's about the music, pictures are incidental
But that's really my personal opinion
I occasionally do a book bazar (with music Lp and CD etc
These bazaars originated from reading "books" and audiobooks are also placed with books
I think that's wrong but that's because of the history background (books)
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I agree with Frans (ps he knows) a real consultation would not be unwise with hopefully many administrators
Especially the fact that we are (unfortunately) a small group on the forum
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But that's really my personal opinion

Fortunately, everyone is allowed to have a personal opinion.
Ultimately, a decision will have to be made and respected by everyone.
All audiobooks do not necessarily have to be in 1 category, you also have overlaps with Comics and Books, just like with several categories.
You just have to (dare to) draw a line somewhere and decide which item should be placed under Books or Music.
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Collectioneur I apparently completely missed that message.
Too bad, because that would have been the moment to move Audio Book from Type to Type of book.
Well, that's off topic here.
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Collectioneur Jilles Dick52 stripspeldjes Keep it simple and easy.
Anything with an ISBN number is a book. So an audiobook with isbn is just as good a book as any other. And that's a clear demarcation/boundary.
e books that also have an isbn?
And can they be entered on LD?
Because that's not physical...
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buizer yes e books can/have those too. In LD : please no (no check).
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And that is very unfortunate. Sad even. Instead of looking for a good solution, there are only contradictions. Post about a guitarist who may or may not have played with a band. Whether or not it is mentioned…etc. Should be mentioned or not.
This is going a bit too far for me. Examples are not arguments, but make a problem more insightful.

Not everything can be controlled, live with that. Not even with a thousand photos
indeed, not everything can be controlled, but that does not mean that we should not strive for that.

Suppose we implement the "musicians" idea, then I still have some questions:

1) Is it a solution to the selection problems? If so, what will that look like?
2) Jilles indicated that filled in musicians are automatically filled in with every (new) track. That's right, but who adapts all existing tracks? That's a rough estimate of 1.5 million....
3) How manageable is it if hundreds of (often redundant) musicians are added to each item?
4) Can timeouts be prevented? I'm already having trouble getting a 6-CD box into the system. Tracks alone are still possible, but composers / lyricists put a heavy burden on the system. That makes it hundreds of times worse.
5) The possibility to put band info on a background page already existed and works well in itself. Only the information on that page is therefore not included in the search function or I am doing something wrong.
6) Will there be an administrator meeting? I don't think it's a good option to let three super admins fight it out. As far as I am concerned, this should be done by all administrators and perhaps also by interested collectors.

In short: Jilles thinks it's a good idea. Not me...

All this also sans racune
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FransS Collectioneur Dick52 vertigo Jilles
It's time for everyone to sit around the table. And with consultation of members/collectors.
To me this seems more like a 'problem' of a 'select' group. Or call it die hards.
And is it worth it?
If you know that the majority of users do not even fill in the tracks .
In short: how many want to know that musician ZYX played on track AABBFFJJ by the group JABIJEE?
Most are satisfied when they hear a song/track and know who the 'interpreter' is.
Let's not talk about the studio musicians or the list will get longer.
You don't have to share my opinion. Is what I think of it.
A lot of work to be done by a few people for very few interested people.
If I read 1.5 million, yes, sorry, but then all (music) administrators have long been in 'heaven'.
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Well we don't want to heaven yet
But we just have to deal with it maturely
I do indeed want to see everything from J Lennon, only he chose the plasticine band in addition to the Beatles and sometimes he had a bet and appeared on stage
How far do you want to capture this?
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It's just my opinion, so don't take it for granted.
To put it succinctly: suppose only 5 men and a horse's head are interested. And then all that work. for what?
And what I don't understand. Why all that effort? If filling in tracks is not even mandatory. So "everything" you will never see me.
And you try to realize a utopia...
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Everything is too much!
Tracks remains a hot topic
I think management has always wanted that to be “mandatory”.
Still run into practical objections simply because of the quantity
And then oblige?
Even 2 scan times were not required
The carrier (LP, CD, etc.) is leading in this section, but is it obligatory to display it? (And readable too)
And in the beginning image was tricky scanner doesn't work with lp cover
But nowadays taking a picture is not really a thing anymore!
What I do think is important is that the information must be readable from the item!
That's why great. More images!
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You can recognize a book by the fact that it is a book (with pages etc.), you cannot identify it as a book just because it has an ISB number.
An ISB number is not a characteristic of a book. An ISB number is an administrative tag of a book or book-based (audiobook/CD/e-pub) thing that is required when published through a third party and then used to identify the publisher and track royalties .

Fun fact. The publisher linked to the ISB also has the distribution right to the publication. That is also why the Amazons of this world are happy to offer you a "free" ISB for your (audio) book. This way they get the distribution right and can prevent it from spreading through channels other than their own site. may become.
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I agree with your analysis.
And heavens.... I'll take the Stairway when the time comes ;-)
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The "Matrix number" field has just been added to the Music section.
Here the matrix number that is in the lead-out groove of a record can be entered. The numbers of the different sides must be put under each other, then it remains clear.
The matrix number is searchable with the search field at the top, just like with the Details field.

Good luck filling it out and have fun with it.
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I had just noticed that the new field Matrix number is there.
Looks neat. Can I already start with the 78 RPM records.
Thank you.
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I am filling in the Matrix numbers for some records.
Now I occasionally come across these characters, ✲ this ℗ and also this <̶>̶ but they are not accepted by the System, instead a ? to stand.
Can you maybe add these characters.
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I see here in the Community they are there but not in the Matix numbers field
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