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Hello

I have a lot of comics from the 50s. Some of the staples are rusty, with brown spots on the strip. I'm afraid the brown spot will get worse. What should I do, someone a tip?

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Often it depends on where the strips are stored. Moisture is a big enemy for the iron staples. Maybe find a drier place for them?

You could of course also try to carefully remove the rusty staples and replace them with new ones. But don't know if this kind of restoration diminishes the value of the strips, although growing brown spots will certainly do in my opinion.

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May 25, 2015 11:28

I have also thought of replacing the staples, but as you say regarding the value, there is a danger that it could drop. I think choosing is losing. Brown spots vs new staples. Dilemma.

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May 25, 2015 11:41

Rust is oxidation. Oxidation, as the word says, requires the presence of oxygen. Vacuum storage does not fix the damage, but it should have a stabilizing effect. In any case, it will not get worse.

Replacing staples is one thing, but it is of course a potentially impairing procedure. I don't know if that is also seen if you would treat the staples (very, very carefully) with a rust converter. Just like you would with a rusty spot on your car.

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May 25, 2015 12:02

Actually, I don't really understand why the value drops, for a few staples? Who will pay attention to that now, while it is actually better for the comic?

I do not know the history of the comics (storage). I bought it like this.

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May 25, 2015 12:10

The comic is no longer 'original'. Just like a recovered back. It has been tinkered with. For most collectors this is worse than doing nothing.

You can try to clean up the loose rust yourself. If you then keep the strip dry, it will most likely not get worse.

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I have already had a rust converter in mind, but then you run the chance that it contains acids that can attack the paper again and you solve one evil with another.

Have also thought for a moment about the clear coats that are used in modeling, but I am not sure about this either.

Gradually the idea arises that you should almost be a chemist before you start collecting matter that is sensitive is for changes ... lol-ish.

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@Zwendel: The comic is then no longer original, you say. There are no cracks, no glue will be applied and so on. You can always replace staples without affecting the paper itself. There are already holes in it.

Maybe it's my own vision but I think it's quite far-fetched that it's no longer 'original' because you replace the staples. In my opinion, that is just taking care of your comics after all these years, but I also respect your opinion.

Not intended to be offensive, but maybe there are people who share my opinion? :-)

@Speerdrager: haha, I don't think I'll start on that with all those products.

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May 25, 2015 15:42

If it's just for putting in your own collection, it doesn't matter much of course. You just do what you like best.

If you are going to sell it, it will depend on the buyer, but let me tell you this: if you not add that the strip, you risk getting a lot of ambras. In any case, I would be sorry to buy a revised album without it being mentioned in the description.

But there may be other collectors who think otherwise. I would also like to hear about it;)

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Interesting indeed. :-)

I will never sell my comics unless I have no heirs. But I'm still in my thirties so I still have plenty of time. Haha.

Those brown spots aren't that bad, I would say 4 mm by 4 mm by 1/3 of the 470 strips. As long as it doesn't get worse it's okay for me. They are now in a dry place and I think I will leave it that way for now without revisiting.

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Actually it is indeed as CLRoeselare says. By replacing the staples you actually save the strip from further decay. I think it's kind of like restoring historical objects, such as buildings, paintings, etc. These repairs are also done to protect against further decay.

But as Zwendel says, if it is for you own collection ... and it seems to me to be neat that the restoration is mentioned when the comic is sold. is done through the normal perforation and is not rammed into the side with a stapler just to keep it together.

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May 25, 2015 17:30

I personally would mind if they mention that there is rust in the paper, but not if they have replaced the staples no look 50 year old rust and new shiny staples, leave nice and original unless the staple has rusted through replace (necessity breaks law)

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If you put new staples in it, it is no longer original, I think the definition of original is quite clear and simple and not really open to discussion, in contrast to '' good condition '' and '' poor condition '' there sometimes opinions and insights may differ :)

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May 25, 2015 22:17

Personally, I see such a copy as "damaged".

Rather a copy with rusty staples and a crease in the cover than a nicer copy with "fake" shiny staples.

But that is of course everyone's preference.

I am also convinced that if stored properly, those stains will not continue.

. I think it's kind of like what people do when restoring historical objects, such as buildings, paintings, etc. These repairs are also done to protect against further decay.

They also try to do those restorations in such a way that they do not stand out.

For example, if you want to 'restore' the staples of an old Suske en Wiske (brown round staples), it is better not to insert new ones (silver angular staples). If you can replace them with the staples of another broken copy (without rust), I think it's still ok.

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old discussion I see, but I do want to replace the staples In the old Suske en Wiskes they are very frugal with those staples and they quickly release the center pages....but which staples can you find of the same size...someone an idea...?
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For example, you will need to find a magazine with staples of the same size and take them out.

Staples are hammered into stapled books (and magazines and brochures) with a so-called wire stitcher (with steel wire on a roll).
They are much thinner than staples for a stapler and are therefore not for sale in the regular trade.
You could also ask a manual bookbinder if he has such a machine, but that profession is also almost extinct.
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top info from you...thank you!
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Have you found which steel wire it is or where to find it? I also want to restore some Suske and Wiskes myself. It is purely for my own collection. I would rather have pages nicely secured in a new staple than pages semi-loose and extended.
I found a bulk of staples of the same size... unfortunately only available in an edition of 10,000 pieces. But they are twice as thick as the original.
So I'm still looking for that thin wire and, if necessary, bend it into the right shape myself. I fix the torn pages with film-o-plast P. This is acid-free and transparent.
If you look closely you can see it, but for me it gives a good result, if I say so myself.
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These machines can be found on most repros at ministries.
I have sometimes "manually stapled" i.e. stapled a piece of wire with pliers and hammer to finish the job.
not fun.
I would look at bookbinding thread because it is handy and can be processed by hand.
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