Music/33 touring singles?37 messages

I recently got hold of a single, at least it would be, from Nancy Sinatra entitled Estas botas fueron hechas para caminar.

This turns out to be the Argentinian pressing of the number These Boots are Made For Walking at 7 ", single size, with a fixed small hole in the middle and at 33 rpm.

Where can I place these now? ?

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From a number of vinyl groups that I participate in, I have seen that there are also records that play at 45 rpm. Elbow.

ik zou die gewoon bij de singeltjes zetten er staan er daar nog wel meer.

vaak zijn flexsingels ook met 33 trm.

en het gewoon bij bijzonderheden vermelden.

I would just put them with the singles there are more there.

often flex girths are also available with 33 trm.

and just mention it in details.

I fully agree with Dick (in this regard).

I would expect the answer to the question in the Handbook. This must define what is meant by "single". This also applies to all other carriers.

Point is that it has a single format.

As long as there are not really many singles in these versions, your own (section, carrier) is not really necessary.

It is a girth 7 "I understand.

But just as there are maxi girths that occur with another 45 or 33 trm in 12" version are under maxisingels

But girths have 7 "girths also often the slogan maxisingels are on the carrier are singles 7 "

Even CDs sometimes have this slogan there, but the format is CD (single)

I will make it an agenda item for the next management meeting.

In my opinion, the manual is not the place to discuss that, the background pages seem like a better place to me.

But that it must be described is clear.

In my opinion, the handbook is not the place to discuss this, the background pages seem like a better place to me.

Is both possible, right? Include in the manual what we mean by a single and (perhaps more extensively) as a background page.

Most commercials singles and flexis are 7 inches and often run at 33 rpm. These are listed in Catawiki as 7 inch single or as flex.

It is very easy to define "single". Unfortunately, manufacturers have not always adhered to this definition. They just did something. I remember a picture of a punk band from The Hague, of which one side played at 45 rpm and the other at 33 1/3.

I think we can go both ways with Antonieq's picture. You can indeed call it a single, but actually the 7 "format is not decisive.

In my opinion the playing time is decisive and if the record plays at 33 rpm, there is an extended playing time. So to me you could formally call it an EP.

Please note: if we agree that it is a single, I agree, but it remains an agreement, not an objective fact.

Just inserted a double cassette. I had never seen: 4561907

There are really more like double Ep and double girth, only the question is justified do you want to see this separately as a carrier (I do) but how long is the list?

In my opinion the playing time is decisive and if the record plays at 33 rpm, there is an extended playing time. So I think you would formally make it an E.P. could call it.

oops the playing time in the beginning if it was 3 minutes you thought it was a lot

later there are singles left of it the 7 min appeared time is then a stretchable concept

format is fixed.

As soon as there are more than 2 songs in total I would go for EP

and speed I would mention in details.

The craze of maxisingels in the late 70's was, which were often released on LP format and could take longer, but often it was just the single in a different format and sleeve.

It is very easy to define "single". Unfortunately, manufacturers have not always adhered to this definition. They just did something.

Indeed. They were only concerned with making money. Nothing wrong with that, but of course they could not foresee that there would ever be a Catawiki :-)

I remember a picture of a punk band from The Hague, one side of which played at 45 rpm and the other way on 33 1/3.

One of these is even in Catawiki :-) Love like a man from Ten Years After CW 518393

I think most collectors want to stick to the standard definition of single. Flexi's are often 33 1/3 rpm. Not because they would take longer, but because there would be less "skips" during playback. Moreover, where do you draw the line? Like a Rolling Stone from our Bob takes almost 6 minutes. Is that an EP?

Later singles of over 7 minutes were published, which is a stretchable concept

389625 8:25 or also: https://www.youtube.com/watch? v = R-KgDUCq12g

@Dick:

Een single is in beginsel een 45 toeren grammoplaatje met 2 kanten van 2:30 à 3 minuten (pin me niet vast op een afwijking van een minuut). Elke plaat die daar niet aan voldoet, is een afwijking van de norm, die je eventueel anders zou kunnen noemen.

Ik probeer elke plaatje op zijn eigenschappen te beoordelen en niet op basis van (niet altijd even juiste) vergelijkingen.  Vergelijken met een flexi bijvoorbeeld heeft n.m.m. geen zin, omdat een flexi nu eenmaal geen single is en daarom een eigen soort heeft gekregen.

Sorry, een plaatje met 1 nummer per kant kan een EP zijn. Bij klassieke muziek komt dat vrij veel voor.

Een 7 inch maxi-single is eigenlijk een EP met een (papieren) hoesje waarop de industrie met grote letters "Maxi-single" heeft gezet. Marketing, anders niks.

@Frans:

Het plaatje van Dylan van 6 min. is voor mij een grote afwijking van de norm. Maar, omdat het gaat over 1 kant (de andere kant heeft vermoedelijk een "normale" speelduur), omdat het plaatje vermoedelijk lijkt op een single (papieren hoesje) en om practische redenen ben ik geneigd dit plaatje een single te noemen.

Waar we de grens leggen, moeten we afspreken. Een objectieve maatstaf of definitie bestaat eigenlijk niet. Dat is wat ik wilde zeggen.

@Dick:

A single is basically a 45 rpm gramo record with 2 sides of 2:30 to 3 minutes (don't pin me on a deviation of one minute). Any record that does not comply with this is a deviation from the standard, which you could possibly call different.

I try to judge each picture on its properties and not on the basis of (not always correct) comparisons. Comparing nmm with a flexi, for example, is pointless, because a flexi is simply not a single and has therefore been given its own kind.

Sorry, a picture with 1 song per side can be an EP. This is quite common in classical music.

A 7 inch maxi-single is actually an EP with a (paper) sleeve on which the industry has written "Maxi-single" in large letters. Marketing, nothing else.

@French:

The 6 min. picture of Dylan is a big departure from the norm for me. But, because it is about 1 side (the other side probably has a "normal" playing time), because the picture probably looks like a single (paper cover) and for practical reasons I tend to call this picture a single.

We have to agree where we draw the line. There is actually no objective standard or definition. That's what I wanted to say.

1292789 is 45 trm we call it maxisingel 12 "but would be an EP

and this 496871 7:11 time would also be called ep now the time is listed here but all UK and Ned are not on time , early release, how do I recognize it?

we also come across it with 7:07 231087 and then this is the deviation 231063

of course it's not a big deal

A single is in principle a 45 rpm grammopod with 2 sides of 2:30 to 3 minutes (don't pin me down on a deviation of one minute).

In the principle was, but then nothing else could be done. Singles were released later, which lasted considerably longer. (Halo or Flies as an absolute highlight).

In my opinion a single is a 7 "picture with 1 song on either side (Oh Well)

maxisingle is 12" and can contain multiple songs usually runs at 45 rpm.

We have to agree where we put the boundary. There is actually no objective measure or definition. That's what I wanted to say.

I would therefore not limit the time of a number, but look more at the shape of the object

@ Disney .. I hadn't seen it before.

@Dick:

No, Dick, I didn't talk about the Maxi-single 12 ". It exists in several versions, more or less songs, 33 or 45 rpm, but is my always called Maxi-single. It makes no sense (but perhaps logical) to call this kind of maxi-singles EP.

Regarding nr. 496871 : if there is only 1 long track on it and one on the other side shorter song, then as far as I am concerned it is a single (see my earlier comment on this).

How do you recognize an EP? obvious properties, such as the number of songs (more than 1 song per side = EP, but 1 song per side can sometimes be an EP as well):

- Often you will find in the release number combination EP or PE back.

- The case is usually firmer than a single case (had the higher pr ice cream justified?)

Catawiki no. 4428939 is incorrectly listed with maxi single 7". It is a so-called Mini-LP (7 "), which plays at 33 rpm. We have agreed that these kinds of records will be recorded with EP.

No. 1701863 is a real maxi -single 7 ", but that's a name given to this by the industry. N.m.m. it is actually (a stripped down) EP.

A comment from FransS about flexi's got me thinking. Antonieq has not written about a longer playing time or multiple songs at all. That means that my earlier comments about this picture are probably incorrect.

@Jilles:

The industry has already chosen us and in addition to the form, it also has the playing time and speed. distinctive.

And what about nr. 2060407 ? One piece of music for the entire record and still a real EP. With classical music (but also with Jazz and Spoken Word) it is more common for an EP to have only 1 song per side. For that reason, the number of numbers cannot be decisive (n.m.).

Incidentally, double cassettes (or more) are common when reading books.

Even opgezocht:

Het verschil tussen een single en een e.p. is bepaald door de spoed.

De afkorting ep (Engels: EP of E.P.) staat voor extended play. Dit is een techniek om de speelduur van een plaat te verlengen. De groef op een grammofoonplaat maakt zijdelingse bewegingen, waarvan de amplitude groter is bij een hogere geluidssterkte. De spoed, de onderlinge afstand tussen de groeven, moet zo groot zijn dat de groeven niet door elkaar lopen. Bij een ep wordt de spoed gevarieerd, afhankelijk van de geluidssterkte. Een single heeft een vaste spoed.

Just looked up:

The difference between a single and an EP is determined by the pitch.

The abbreviation ep (English: EP or EP ) stands for extended play . This is a technique to extend the playing time of a record. The groove on a gramophone record makes lateral movements, the amplitude of which is greater at a higher volume. The pitch, the mutual distance between the grooves, must be so large that the grooves do not overlap. With an EP, the pitch is varied, depending on the loudness. A single has a fixed pitch.

Hey, that's with some videotapes too, they also run slower (I think).

@Jilles:

When I first read this story in Wikipedia, I was already wondering how to determine a fixed or variable "pitch". The most practical is to start from a derivative: the playing time. I believe I will keep saying what I have said all the time (;-)

When I first read this story in Wikipedia, I was already wondering how to determine a fixed or variable "pitch".

That happened to me too!

but the micro-grove that was mentioned by Philips somewhere in the late 50s and early 60s, how am I supposed to see that?

@Dick:

By using vinyl as a raw material for the grammar records and sapphires or diamond needle, it was possible to make narrower grooves than the grooves of 78 rpm records. In that sense the vinyl records had "microgrooves".

Fixed or variable "pitch" had nothing to do in any case, the mention "microgroove" was used for all types (singles, EPs and LPs) .

Whether Philips was able to produce narrower grooves than the competition is unknown to me. Perhaps "microgroove" was mainly a marketing slogan.

To be sure I will have to consult my professional literature (if there is anything to be found). Maybe more later ...

@Dick:

In "Cover makers" (about the Philips cover makers) Leo Boudewijns writes:

"The LP was presented for the first time in 1948 and it meant a big revolution, not only in quality, but especially also in the amount that the public had to pay for their house music from now on. The old 78 rpm equipment became unusable and the new pick-up to be purchased (with microgroove needle and a platter that turned 45 and 33 1/3 rpm respectively) cost hundreds of guilders. The gramophone turned into a sound system. " (edition 1992, p. 13)

In the same book you can see that the term " minigroove " (we always wrote "microgroove") around 1960 had already disappeared on Philips record sleeves. So it seems that "minigroove" was mainly used to emphasize that you should buy a "modern" installation (preferably from Philips).

@Jilles:

Now that I After thinking about the "urgency" for a longer time, I suspect that they also used a variable pitch for the maxi single 7 ". And of course also for the singles with numbers of 6 or 7 minutes. Perhaps the rush story applies mainly to the 1950s and the early 60s?

@Dick:

Until now I have not found any new information that makes it possible to date a gramophone record using the word " minigroove " .

I did come across minigroove 78 rpm records , which were produced at the end of the 50's. Presumably the intention was to play these records on an electric record player with a diamond or sapphire needle.