Stamps/series23 messages

M.i. there are a number of points for improvement with regard to series.

- The stamps are often not together, but spread, sometimes over 3 pages

- The stamps from a series (considered by CW and depicted as a series) often have different series names.

- The name of the series occurs in different countries.

Explanation:

When completing, correcting and Checking seals is easier if they are together. Now it is quite a search and you have lost the overview. What I often do is click on a stamp and request them per series. Then often seals are missing, because they have been given a different name. Or I get stamps from sometimes 9 or more countries (e.g. 1972 birds). (As an aside, you can also give an explanation / extra info about the stamps from a lot of countries !!!! Strange!) I can then sort them by country again. Not insurmountable, but 2 superfluous steps.

This has been well thought out and has a reason.

There will always be people who have some problems with the method.

The cause is often with the importer. The information is getting more scanty and selling their stamps is a priority. Not supplementing the stamps or catawiki catalog.

The general administrators cannot keep up with the pace. Unfortunately, there is only a single general administrator who deals with this. Many more general administrators will therefore have to be appointed.

Attn. on solution of the problem. Since January 2013, requests have been made to deal with these kinds of problems together with a programmer. Unfortunately, no results are known yet.

It is also recommended to merge the series. E.g. xxxx UPU is in it 10 x or xxxx Independence is in it 5 x. Then merge into 1 series and then the stamps are together again.

This phenomenon is (unfortunately!) because many areas / countries do not have an administrator. These can largely prevent the chaos in the "series", provided their judgment is accepted by all collectors. But every collector has his own interpretation of the term "series", often depending on the printed catalog they use. And the catalogs do not always agree with each other.

Importers are also a source of confusion. They often choose a different name, or have a different mother tongue than Dutch, which is not conducive to the consistency of the serial names.

The whole thing becomes even more difficult when you consider that the Catawiki system displays the stamps, sorted by year. So if stamps from one series have been issued in different years, they will not be displayed "standing together". Thus, it can happen that a series is for example in two tufts, with other stamps in between.

If you are looking for a popular subject, such as 1972 birds, a number of countries will be found together if you use the series name searches. It seems to me inevitable that you will then have to retrieve the stamps you are looking for with a second selection by country name. But then again, that's how every search process works: the more accurate the desired result, the more search terms you have to use.

There is no ready-made solution. It is best to register your as a administrator of an area and consistently give all seals of one series the same series name. Then you will automatically discover that the definition of the term "series" can vary from person to person. And that fact will always remain a source of tension within our collecting world.

A series is an artificial thing, created by the person who makes a series of it, Janje finds all beatrix cups 1 series, Piet finds the beatrix cups in Guldens and those in Euro's 2 series and Klaasje finds that only the date from issuance determines what 1 series is, so there has 7 different Beatrix cup series.

In short, series will never work, abolish that bite, onee that is not possible because then the sellers will have too much work.

The series discussion will never ever end, this is inherent to the definition which is too vague.

Series are deliberately kept apart, because they are working with Michel.

I have tried to put a series together before, just as stated in Yvert, but unfortunately, that is not allowed.

It really would work better and easier for everyone, even new importers.

And that is the problem.

Everyone thinks the catalog he works with is the correct and most pleasant one.

The solution will be worked on from January 2013.

@Tapir

It is good that it is being worked on. Can you also indicate what is being done about it and what time frame there is?

@az60

Every manager does his best to manage his area well. The series name is part of this.

In order to work as efficiently as possible, there are still many obstacles, such as:

1) Until now, the series name may only be used in the Must be completed in Dutch. Reason: the automatic translation is still not an issue.

2) As long as there is no unanimity between the administrators on how the series should be put together in practical terms, there can be no unanimous outcome. In any case, we must abandon the divisions of the various catalogs. As long as some think that Michel or other catalogs are sanctifying, we will not get any further.

3) The collectors who think they know everything better than the administrators and are constantly sticking their teeth in the wheels and worse: By their behavior try to bully the (especially novice) administrators.

In the meantime, some areas are being systematically checked, supplemented and improved. Of course, this takes time and good new managers are always welcome.

I find it quite presumptuous to say that users who are not administrators do not understand their business:

The collectors who think they know everything better than the administrators and constantly stick in The wheels are pitching and even worse: by their behavior the (especially novice) administrators try to bully away.

This shows once and again: anyone who is not an administrator must shut up when is about stamps ... right? The old song ...

@Morits

You have not read correctly: I am only talking about the collectors who think they know everything better than the administrators.

@Tapir,

Thank you for your answer. Only now saw that the earlier message was posted by Rob. I hadn't looked closely. Apologies. Welcome your answer. I say about point 1 that there is a problem when non-Dutch speakers import stamps. That has already been discussed in some forum posts. I share your opinion on point 2 that CW should steer its own course. It's a shame you haven't decided after all this time. Again your conclusion:

As long as some think Michel or other catalogs are sanctifying, we will not get any further.

I share.

I see point 3 differently, but that's not what this forum topic is about.

@az60

I see point 3 differently, but this forum topic is not about that.

Anyway, they prevent administrators from working serenely to the previous (points 1 and 2).

@tapir,

3) The collectors who think that they know everything better than the administrators and who constantly stabbing the wheels and even worse: by their behavior the (especially novice) administrators try to bully away.

You talk in a mirror joker,

You bought a white coat yourself in the party shop, sawed and pinned up media lessons yourself, especially about Vietnam , I also meet you everywhere in those circles, you indicate exactly how you think, the plebs should actually shut up because the almighty knows better, in fact because we throw the ass in the crib we chase away any worshipers that may occur in your wet dreams when they start to realize that you are a much less oracle than you pretend yourself, so far I only know users who have left because of the behavior of a few administrators and not what you insinuate now, to date with you the biggest bullying of all, butter on your head, clear the kettle, spider and beam in your eye.

Sinbad,

I feel compelled to respond to your gibberish. If you have nothing better and constructive to contribute, then better leave it.

Don't you overlook the fact that a lot of constructive things have already been introduced?

7451Dick,

Als je niets beters en constructiefs heb in te brengen

Probeer jij nu de clown uit te hangen of denk je dat ik de clown ben?

Constructief????? moet je kijken wat ondergetekende allemaal heeft ingevoerd, verbeterd en gerievieuwd, los van de honderde bijdrages in discussies en antwoorden op vragen aan beginnende gebruikers/verzamelaars,

Het bizarre van alle constructieve forumberichten tot heden is echter dat al die problemen en de constructie aangedragen oplossing zijn gedaan door de hierboven genoemde zogenaamde vervelende gebruikers en beheerders van andere afdelingen binnen Catawiki, daar waren geen postzegel(super)beheerders bij.

Tot heden (we praten inmiddels over jaren) is er met onze construcieve bijdragen niets, nada en noppes gedaan.

Het is genegeerd, belachelijk gemaakt, met non-issues onderuitgehaald en een enkele keer met valse beloftes en loze toezegingen beeindigd.

Tot heden is nog geen enkele belofte danwel toezegging gedaan door de oude kliek ook daadwerkelijk uitgevoerd. Ze slaan nog geen deuk in een pakje boter, compleet falend beleid wat zijn weerga buiten catawiki niet kent.

We hebben jaren moeten zeuren om iets infantiels simpels als IJsland te ontdooien, zo dat wij het construtief konden bijwerken en er gebeurde geen zak, moest uiteindelijk Ted die niets met zegels had te maken oplossen.

Tot heden is de enigste noemenswaardige bijdrage geweest een gedrocht van een handleiding waarvan het glazuur van je tanden springt, verder een complete afwezigheid op het forum, 0 constructieve bijdrage, ondertussen gefrustreerd af en toe de ''vervelende'' gebruikers aanspreken op zogenaamd wegjagen en niet constructief gedrag.

En als de beheerders nu eens eerst constructief de problemen, gedaande beloftes en toezegingen eens gaan uitvoeren dan zal de leegloop bij catawiki eens stopen.

En hoeven jullie niet gefrustreerd de de vervelende gebruikers de schuld te geven van weglopers en dat er niets constructiefs gebeurt.

Stop eens ons als spiegel te gebruiken van jullie eigen falen en frustraties ga eens constructief de beloftes en toezeggingen waar maken die de afgelopen jaren zijn gedaan, jullie falen bij ons neer te leggen daar ga je bij mij geen sympathie krijgen.

Ik voel me gedwongen even te reageren op je gezwets.

Ik zeg altijd maar beter zwetsen dan met sluw gekronkel andere de schuld geven van je eigen falen.

Afwachten op je constructieve bijdrage.

Je postzegelvriendje

Sinbad

7451 Dick,

If you have nothing better and constructive to say

Are you trying to act the clown or do you think I'm the clown?

Constructive????? have a look at what the undersigned has introduced, improved and reviewed, apart from the hundreds of contributions to discussions and answers to questions to novice users / collectors,

The bizarre thing about all constructive forum posts to date, however, is that all those problems and the proposed construction solutions have been done by the aforementioned so-called annoying users and administrators from other departments within Catawiki, there were no stamp (super) administrators among them.

To date (we are now talking about years) nothing, nada and nothing has been done with our constructive contributions.

It has been ignored, ridiculed, undermined with non-issues, and occasionally ended with false promises and empty promises.

To date, not a single promise or undertaking made by the old cabal has actually been fulfilled. They don't even make a dent in a packet of butter, completely failing policy that is unparalleled outside catawiki.

We had to nag for years to thaw something as infantile as simple as Iceland so we could update it constructively and nothing happened, finally Ted who had nothing to do with stamps had to solve.

To date, the only noteworthy contribution has been a monstrosity of a manual that makes the enamel jump off your teeth, furthermore a complete absence on the forum, 0 constructive contribution, meanwhile frustrated occasionally addressing the ''annoying'' users to so-called chasing away and unconstructive behavior.

And if the administrators first constructively implement the problems, promises made and commitments, then the idle time at catawiki will stop.

And don't get frustrated blaming annoying users for runaways and nothing constructive happening.

Stop using us as a mirror of your own failures and frustrations, start constructively fulfilling the promises and commitments that have been made in recent years, you fail to put it down with us, you will not get my sympathy.

I feel compelled to respond to your rambling.

I always say it's better to babble than to blame others for your own failures with cunning squirming.

Waiting for your constructive contribution.

Your stamp buddy

Sinbad

Before a discussion gets out of hand again and we start treating each other unkindly, I ask everyone to stay on topic.

The whole story series with stamps is not working as it should and so we are looking at how we are going to change this. Not only with stamp managers, but others will also start working on this. Structural proposals are welcome, and we'll also dig through all the old forum posting to filter out the useful information there.

We should spend less time shopping in the other stamp catalogs, but rather set our own course.

We hebben jaren moeten zeuren om iets infantiels simpels als IJsland te ontdooien, zo dat wij het construtief konden bijwereken en er gebeurde geen zak, moest uiteindelijk Ted die niets met zegels had te maken oplossen.

Sinbad

Niet te veel veren op een onprettige plek plaatsen. Ook vanuit de beheerders is er steeds aangedrongen op het ontdooien. 

Onze beheerders doen hun uiterste best, maar door de steeds uitbreidende rubriek lopen we nu tegen zaken aan die een andere oplossing vragen. Geen lapmiddeltjes, maar structurele stappen. Dit vergt een hoop werk maar dat schuwen we niet. Alleen de beschikbare tijd zorgt voor de nodige vertraging. Vergeet niet dat Catawiki nog meer dan 70 andere rubrieken heeft die ook om aandacht vragen.

We had to nag for years to thaw something as infantile as simple as Iceland so we could update it constructively and nothing happened, finally Ted who had nothing to do with stamps had to solve.

Sinbad

Do not place too many feathers in an unpleasant place. The managers have also insisted on defrosting.

Our administrators are doing their utmost, but due to the ever-expanding section, we are now running into issues that require a different solution. No stopgap remedies, but structural steps. This requires a lot of work, but we don't shy away from that. Only the available time causes the necessary delay. Don't forget that Catawiki has more than 70 other categories that also require attention.

Ted mijn klaagzang is niet tegen Catawiki of de beheerders, het is de oude kliek die alles vertraagd, van alle beloftes en toezegingen is er nog geeneen na gekomen, er zijn gegenaamde postzegel enquetes en gebruikersgroepen opgerichten waar niets mee is gedaan, kansloze discusies over blokken, series, Cinderella's, kinderbedankkaarten, persoonijke zegels, FDC-nummering en wel en geen tab, is jaren over geruzied en nog niets nada noppes met alles wat beloofd is en toegezegt is en niet is gedaan, je kunt als beheerders wel mopperen over die die weglopen, maar je kunt het ook omdraaien en je verwonderd afvragen waarom er na al die tijd nog mensen zijn die er nog steeds zijn en zich er druk om (willen) maken.

Toen ik jaren geleden op Catawiki kwam, was het vers en hoorden het echt in de top 3 ter wereld fillatelistisch gezien.

Anderhalf jaar geleden heb ik een dramatische klaagzang gehouden op het postzegelforum dat we die lijdende wereld-postitie aan het kwijtraken waren.

Nu kan ik helaas geen andere conclusie meer trekken dat Catawiki an sich nog steeds een mondiale speler is maar fillatelistisch gezien niet meer meer zijn dan een matige middenmoter still going down, en die conclusie doet toch een beetje pijn.

En dan kunnen de beheerders ons vervelende gebruikers hier wel de schuld aan geven, maar terwijl er hier niets constructiefs gebeurde en de gebruikers hebben dat echt wel aangegeven gingen andere websites verder en vooruit, het zure is dat die andere sites mede zijn gegroeit door de kennis, kunde en inzet van gebruikers die hier de afgelopen jaren zijn weggepest.

Mijn ''zijn'' op Catawiki postzegels is niets, op een andere website kan ik veel meer betekenen en bereiken, in deze mag je mijn account zo deleten, als mijn ego een belemering is voor de groei van Catawiki postzegels dan doe wat je moet doen, Catawiki ligt mij te na aan het hart om op te geven dus ik ga zelf de stekker er niet uit trekken dat laat ik aan jullie over, maar ik ben wel benieuwd dat als alle vervelende gebruikers de nek om worden gedraaid, wie ze dan de schuld gaan geven van hun falen.

En over de Series (terug on topic) je gaat hier nooit uitkomen, series worden gevormd in het individuele hoofd van een verzamelaar, danwel de catalogus/bijbel waar de betreffende fillatelist in geloofd, dat ga je nooit goed doen en zal altijd mopperaars opleveren.

Eigenlijk is het een probleem waarvan je eerlijk moet afvragen of het wel een probleem is ofwel wil ik als catawiki wel series (iedere zegels staat er immers al los in, je Suske & Wiske of Kuifje zijn ook onderdeel van een serie namelijk alle albums van Suske & Wiske samen dawel van Kuifje..Staan alle Kuifje-album ook samen als een serie ingevoerd en ingescand als een object onder Kuifje? Of alle guldens van Beatrix als een serie als object onder munten ? Alle sigarenbandjes van Ritmeester als 1 serie onder sigarenbandjes?

Als je eerst de vraagt stelt ''moeten we als Catawiki kunstmatig gecreerde series als een enkel object opnemen in de catalogus?'' stelt, hoef je misschien de kansloze never-ending discussie wat een serie uberhaupt is misschien wel nooit te voeren :)

Ted my lament is not against Catawiki or the administrators, it is the old clique that slows everything down, none of all promises and commitments have yet been fulfilled, so-called stamp surveys and user groups have been set up that have not been used, chanceless discussions about blocks , series, Cinderellas, children's thank you cards, personalized stamps, FDC numbering and yes and no tab, has been argued about for years and nothing nada nopes with everything that has been promised and promised and has not been done, as administrators you can grumble about those who walk away, but you can also turn it around and wonder why after all this time there are still people who are still there and (want to) care about it.

When I came on Catawiki years ago it was fresh and really belonged in the top 3 in the world philatelistically.

A year and a half ago I made a dramatic lament on the stamp forum that we were losing that suffering world position.

Unfortunately, I can no longer draw any other conclusion that Catawiki is still a global player in itself, but from a philatelic point of view, it is no more than a mediocre mid-engine still going down, and that conclusion hurts a bit.

And then the administrators can blame us annoying users for this, but while nothing constructive happened here and the users really indicated that other websites went further and further, the sour thing is that those other sites have also grown due to the knowledge , skill and commitment of users who have been bullied here in recent years.

My ''being'' on Catawiki stamps is nothing, on another website I can mean and achieve much more, in this one you can delete my account, if my ego is an obstacle to the growth of Catawiki stamps then do what you have to do, Catawiki is too close to my heart to give up, so I'm not going to pull the plug myself, I'll leave that to you, but I'm curious that if all annoying users are killed, who will they be? blame them for their failure.

And about the Series (back on topic) you will never get out of this, series are formed in the individual head of a collector, or the catalog / bible that the relevant fillatelist believes in, you will never do well and will always produce grumblers.

Actually, it is a problem that you honestly have to ask yourself whether it is a problem or whether as a catawiki I want series (after all, every stamps are already included separately, your Suske & Wiske or Tintin are also part of a series, namely all albums by Suske & Wiske together dawel van Tintin..Are all Tintin albums entered together as a series and scanned in as an object under Tintin?Or all Beatrix guilders as a series as an object under coins?All Ritmeester cigar bands as 1 series under cigar bands?

If you first ask the question ''should we as Catawiki include artificially created series as a single object in the catalog?'', you may never have to have the hopeless never-ending discussion about what a series is at all :)

@sinbad

I'm glad we're back to the topic. I'll go a long way with you too. However, there are a few things that you do not take into account. In the first place, stamps are often issued as a series. The issuing authority indicates that certain stamps belong together, often by the same subject or by the same appearance. Collectors almost by definition strive for completeness of series, so all suske and maths and all quizzes. And therefore also all stamps in a series. In addition, sales play an important role. Every seller would also like to get rid of his low values from a series, while the demand is often for the more expensive, less frequently issued stamps. That is the way things are and that is a strong factor. This is the result of the approach that CW is not only a catalog, but also a sales site.

And even though you are of the opinion that the concept of series makes no sense, there is a coherence in the stamps . In order to keep a catalog organized, they must also be placed together. This is possible on the date of issue, as stated by Rein. That may be the right one, but not the most user-friendly. Just look at how often the date of issue is mentioned with the imported stamps. So nil. Then the concept of series is a good alternative. This is frequently introduced and 90% of the stamps (wet finger) can easily be divided into series. And the stamps from other years of long-running series do not belong here. The catalog is built up by year. And if the discussion about series becomes too heavy, then we change the word series into a set or whatever. Then we just have a practical solution for an emotionally charged understanding. Of course there are still a few hooks and eyes, for example with sets or stamps, imprint stamps, other perforations issued in the same year, but that should not cause any problem. And everyone can decide for themselves which sets together form a series.

@Ted,

No quick fixes, but structural steps. This takes a lot of work, but we don't shy away from it.

I have no doubt Ted. But an occasional slip of the veil would be welcome. Volunteers are one of the corks on which CW floats. And to motivate those volunteers, it is important to provide some insight into the ins and outs. And involve them if possible. I think that is the way to do it for many organizations that work with volunteers.

@Az60,

Er zijn echter een paar zaken, waar je geen rekening mee houdt.

Ohh jawel heb er rekening mee gehouden maar naar enige nadenken ben ik tot de conclusie gekomen dat deze zaken niet ter zaken deden inzake een postzegelcatalogus.

Verzamelaars streven bijna per definitie naar compleetheid van series,

Ohh das na 30 jaar nieuw voor me, ik ken slechts verzamelaars die streven naar compleetheid van hun afgebakende gebied dat zijn besloten te gaan verzamelen.

Verzamelaars streven bijna per definitie naar compleetheid van series,  dus alle suske en wiskes en alle kuifjes. En dus ook alle postzegels van een serie.

Ja maar moet dan een complete serie als een los object nogmaals als in een catalogus worden toegevoegd als alle losse zegels daarvan al in de catalogus staan?

Bij munten, strips en platen is dat niet zo een Rolling Stones verzamelaar wil per definitie ook alle langspeelplaten van hun hebben maar naast alle losse LP's van die gasten staat er niet een de catalogus van ons een object die alle LP's van die snuiters bij elkaar tot een ding maken toch??? ook niet van alle jaartallen van de beatrixguldens terwijl een Munteverzamelaar ook streeft naar alle jaartalen van deze gulden

Daarnaast speelt de verkoop een belangrijke rol. Iedere verkoper wil ook graag zijn lage waarden uit een serie kwijt, terwijl de vraag vaak is naar de duurdere, minder vaak uitgebrachte zegels. Dat is nu eenmaal de gang van zaken en dat is een sterke factor.

Een verkoopsite die tevens als bijvangst een catalogus is bestaat al lang en is completer dan wij ooit voor erkaar kunnen krijgen (zie www.postbeeld.nl).

Wat wil CW zijn een catalogus waar je toevallig ook kunt verkopen, of een verkoopsite die met enige wringen een catalogus wil zijn?, kies je voor het laatste dan is alle energie voor niets want van de echte commercielen jongens gaan wij vrijwilligers het never en nooit winnen.

Om een catalogus overzichtelijk te houden, moeten die ook bij elkaar staan. Dat kan op uitgiftedatum, zoals Rein aangaf. Dat is misschien de juiste, maar niet de meest gebruiksvriendelijke

Dat is een aanname op valse argumenten en gewoontes, ik heb 30 jaar gebrobeerd mijn uitdeiende verzameling overzichtelijk en consequent bij elkaar te houden, al die tijd heb ik me aan de series gehouden dan zoals Michel, toen ik probleempjes tegen kwam via Yvert, toen dat helemaal niet werkte weer terug na Michel en toen dat echt niet werkte uiteindelijk via uitgifte datum, uiteindelijk het enigste wat consigeunt was, niet voor meerdere uitleg vatbaard en gebaseerde op onweerlegbare feiten.

En geloof me, ik heb een verzameling die bestaat uit 5 cijfers, het ombouwen van zogenaamde series na uitgiftedatum heeft al 5 jaar in beslag genoemen en ik ben pas op de helft, de gedwongen beslissing om van kunstmatig gecreerde series over te stappen naar uitgifte datum is de grootste en meest uitdagen beslissing geweest die ik ooit heb gemaakt als fillatelist, daar heb ik nachten over gedroomd, gewikt en geweegt, dat is geen 1 nacht ijs geweest en ondanks dat ik na 5 jaar pas op de helft ben van het omzetten is het de beste beslissing die ik als fillatelist ooit heb gemaakt.

Niets is zo logisch, duidelijk en niet voor interpretatie danwel mening/zienswijze afhankelijk als uitgifte datum.

Fillatelisten is alles verzamelen kunnen uiteindelijk geen andere conclussie trekken dan dat op datum van uitgifte verzamelen de enige goede manier van werken is mede allesverzamelaars die ik ken die ook 5 cijferige verzamelingen hebben en alles op series hebben gerangschikt hebben uiteindelijk dezelfde conclusie getrokken echte de jarenlange klus deze fout recht te breien durven ze niet aan.

Je aanname dat op datum selecteren niet de gebruiksvriendelijkste is komt naar mijn mening omdat het al jaren zo wordt gedaan, ga je er rustig over nadenken dan trek je waarschijnlijk Reins en mijn conclusie.

En als dan de discussie over series te zwaar beladen wordt, dan veranderen we het woord serie in een set of wat dan ook.

Aangezien ik postzegels verzamel en geen verzonnen series interreseert het mee geen ruk wat ze met die kul besluiten, ik viondt het alleen irritant en infantiel dat als ik in de catalogus een zegel zie die diezelfde zegel nog een zie in een zelfverzonnen serie, los van het feit dat de hele zwaar gevulde en nu al overvolle en chaotische catalogus extra wordt vervuilt en beslast met een groot gedeelte aan een postpourie van samengevoegde zegels die ook allemaal al los in de catalogus staan.

Dus of je maakt een catalogus met enkel series wat vooral handig is voor verkopers maar die bestaat allang (zie ww.postbeeld.nl) en kunnen wij niet evennaren en in voor verzamelaars die losse zegels hebben en geen complete series hebben onbruikbaar om hun verzameling in onder te brengen of een catalogus met losse zegels ideaal voor verzamelaars maarja dan is de bijfunktie namelijk verkopen iets omslachtiger maar allebei half zoals nu, fraai en overzichtelijk is anders en inconsuquent met zoals de rest van Catawiki ermee omgaat.

@Az60,

However, there are a few things that you don't take into account.

Oh yes, I took it into account, but after some reflection I came to the conclusion that these things were not relevant for a stamp catalogue.

Collectors almost by definition strive for completeness of series,

Ohh that's new to me after 30 years, I only know collectors who strive for completeness of their defined area that have decided to start collecting.

Collectors almost by definition strive for completeness of series, so all Suske en Wiskes and all Tintins. And so also all stamps of a series.

Yes, but does a complete series have to be added as a separate object to a catalog if all separate stamps are already in the catalog?

This is not the case with coins, comics and records. A Rolling Stones collector by definition also wants to have all their long-playing records, but in addition to all the loose LPs of those guys, there is not a catalog of ours, an object that combines all LPs of those guys together. make a thing right??? also not of all years of the beatrix guilder, while a coin collector also strives for all years of this guilder

In addition, sales play an important role. Every seller also wants to sell his low values from a series, while the demand is often for the more expensive, less frequently released stamps. That's just the way things are and that's a strong factor.

A sales site that is also a catalog as a by-catch has existed for a long time and is more complete than we could ever get (see www.postbeeld.nl ).

What does CW want to be, a catalog where you also happen to be able to sell, or a sales site that wants to be a catalog with some wringing? to win.

To keep a catalog clear, they must also be grouped together. This is possible on the date of issue, as Rein indicated. That may be the correct one, but not the most user-friendly

That is an assumption based on false arguments and habits, I spent 30 years trying to keep my expanding collection organized and consistent, all that time I kept to the series, then like Michel, when I encountered problems through Yvert, when that didn't work at all back after Michel and when that really didn't work eventually via issue date, ultimately the only thing that was consigeunt, not open to multiple explanations and based on irrefutable facts.

And believe me, I have a collection that consists of 5 figures, the conversion of so-called series after release date has already taken 5 years and I'm only halfway, the forced decision to move from artificially created series to release date has been the biggest and most challenging decision I have ever made as a fillatelist, I dreamed about it for nights, weighed and weighed it, that was not an overnight ice cream and despite the fact that after 5 years I am only half way through the conversion It's the best decision I've ever made as a fillatelist.

Nothing is as logical, clear and not dependent on interpretation or opinion/opinion as the date of issue.

Fillatelists are all collectibles can ultimately draw no other conclusion than that collecting by date of issue the only good way of working is fellow collectors of everything that I know who also have 5-digit collections and have arranged everything by series, have ultimately reached the same conclusion real the years of work they dare not correct this mistake.

Your assumption that selecting by date is not the most user-friendly is in my opinion because it has been done that way for years, if you think about it calmly, you will probably draw Reins and my conclusion.

And then if the discussion about series gets too loaded, then we change the word series to a set or whatever.

Since I collect stamps and not made-up series, it really doesn't matter what they decide with that crap, I just find it annoying and infantile that if I see a stamp in the catalog that sees the same stamp again in a self-made series, apart from the fact that the entire heavily filled and already overcrowded and chaotic catalog is extra polluted and burdened with a large part of a postpourie of combined stamps that are all already loose in the catalog.

So either you make a catalog with only series, which is especially useful for sellers, but it has existed for a long time (see ww.postbeeld.nl) and we cannot match it, and for collectors who have loose stamps and do not have complete series, they are unusable to add to their collection. or a catalog with loose stamps ideal for collectors, but then the additional function of selling is a bit more cumbersome, but both are half as they are now, beautiful and clear is different and inconsistent with the way the rest of Catawiki deals with it.

After reading Sinbad's epistle I suddenly get the message continuously

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