Collecting/Prayer cards14 messages

It is of course true that further (almost?) Everywhere on Catawiki images 1 and 2 are used for the front and back view of the object. Image 3 is mainly used as an addition \ clarification, the colophon for books, the label for plates, the table of contents for magazines.

In that light it indeed seems most logical and consistent to place the text in prayer cards not as the second image, but as the third.

Yes, that is exactly the reason that I had exchanged them with a few copies (the one that you can open). The ones that cannot be opened will be fine by itself. We do the same with folding greeting cards and in terms of shape they are of course the most reminiscent of that

It is of course true that further (almost?) Everywhere on Catawiki images 1 and 2 are used for the front and back view of the object.

On the other hand, a prayer card is not a booklet, and with the front, inside and back you can show everything about the item in the correct order.
Personally, I think this is a lot better with these types of items.

What does a prayer card collector ultimately have to do with how this goes with the greeting cards, for example.
In that case, I would rather look at what is best for the collection area itself than to keep dragging in other collection areas.

As a form it is actually a mix between a booklet and a greeting card.

At Catawiki, images 1 and 2 are generally not intended to be read in a logical form, but to describe the external characteristics of an object. That's why I did it the way I did it.

I understand why you did it, and also the arguments you have for it, but personally I think this is not exactly an improvement for these types of items .

On the contrary, I would say.

As a starter of the discussion, I would still like to join Arwin. It doesn't make sense to place them as it is now. Especially the example that Arwin gives was the deciding factor for me. As a side effect, I would like to mention that these pictures are often used and gladly used in studbook research. ( Genealogy )

Perhaps it is therefore useful to be able to mention the place of birth and death with the prayer cards.

Perhaps it is therefore useful to be able to mention the place of birth and death with the prayer cards.

You can enter these kinds of things under type

Then you do, for example, as generic name
Place of birth: Haarlem
And as the second generic name
Place of death: Maastricht

Then we can fairly easily put this information in their own fields if prayer cards will ever have their own section.

If you follow the method Arwin \ paper-and-coins you will get an apparently logical, but inconsistent input of the images, because with non-expandable pictures the back is image 2 and with collapsible pictures suddenly image 3.

Because I believe that you should eliminate and prevent such things as much as possible, I am therefore not in favor of doing it that way.

The example cited by Arwin is indeed a very good example. But then of the well-known trick of making the way of entering it dependent on how you would like to see the data on your screen eventually. I thought we had paid enough tuition fees by now to stop falling for that.

because with non-folding pictures the back is image 2 and with folding pictures suddenly image 3.

I understand that, but personally I don't have much of a problem with these items.

But then from the well-known trick of making the way of entering it dependent on how you ultimately want to see the data on your screen. I thought we had paid enough tuition fees by now to stop falling for that.

I believe that was about different input of fields against the agreements, for the purpose of how people liked that for their own collection, without taking into account the other collectors in the section.
There is no mention of this here, you can determine the place of the pictures for an entire prayer card section.
Not that it has to be done right away as we propose, but the comparison you draw here does not apply to me.

Can the name "Prayer card" be replaced by:

Prayer cards / Memorial cards.

Memorial pictures often have nothing to do with a prayer but are more often biographies and are also used by non-religious people.

Then the description is better for both types of pictures that differ little or nothing from each other in terms of shape.

Hereby.

annus-sanctus wrote in a part of the forum to be disbanded :

introducing prayer cards and devotional cards has been a real crime until now.

Just a few tips for the importers:

a picture is named after the title on the picture, or, if this is missing, after the first lines of the text on the back.

If it says "Ecce Homo" on the front, enter it as the title and NOT the name.

If under the image it says "Da Vinci", fill in design Da Vinci, Leonard, and under themes also art: Da VInci

Filling in religion as the theme in a prayer or devotion picture is of course nonsense. But if there is an anchor on the front, angels etc. please mention that

Name goes under PERSON: this can be the jubilee, deceased, communicant as well as a pope or saint who is depicted on the front.

Priestly ordinations, anniversaries, first communion, world mission Sunday, special days, holy year, etc. all fall under this category.

Saints pictures, pictures with images only, fall under devotion pictures, although I would recommend the moderators to combine them with the prayer cards. After all, both cases are about "prayer"

There are a number of fill-in boxes that should be removed and some that should be added. Kind should be removed, better to add:

1. place of birth

2. place of death

3. church / parish (important for all the above topics)

4. partner (useful to quickly find two pictures of a couple in this way)

Finally: I have already offered myself several times as a moderator for both prayer and devotion pictures, but unfortunately still nothing has been heard until now

Er zijn een aantal invul vakken die verwijderd zouden moeten, en een aantal die toegevoegd zouden moeten worden. Soort zou verwijderd moeten worden, beter is om toe te voegen:

1. geboorte plaats

2. plaats van overlijden

3. kerk/parochie (bij alle bovengenoemde onderwerpen belangrijk)

4. partner (handig om op die manier ook twee prentjes van een echtpaar snel terug te vinden)

Op dit moment staan ze in de rubriek "overig"
Daar plaatsen we alle items waar op dit moment geen rubriek voor is.

Er staat een rubriek in de planning waar "Bidprentje / Gedachtenisprentjes" "Devotieprentjes" en "Geboortekaartjes" bij elkaar komen te staan.
Daar is verder niet veel haast achter gezet, mede omdat papier-en-muntgeld helaas gestopt is met Catawiki en verzamelen in het algemeen.
Wat dat betreft is het fijn dat er nu een andere geïnteresseerde is voor deze items.
Zodra er een eigen rubriek voor is, kom je in aanmerking voor het beheren.
Jammer dat je hier nog geen antwoord over hebt gekregen.

Die rubriek zal dan onder andere de velden krijgen die je hier voorstelt.
De velden toevoegen zolang ze in overig staan, is helaas geen optie.
Er zijn zoveel items in die rubriek die eigen velden behoeven.

We kunnen nu eenmaal niet honderd invoervelden gaan aanmaken bij overig om het iedereen naar de zin te maken.

Daarom hebben we hier het veld "soort" als veld, dat je mag gebruiken voor alles waar je op wilt kunnen sorteren, maar waar voor geen invoer veld is.

Dan doe je bijvoorbeeld als soortnamen
Plaats geboorte: Haarlem
Plaats overlijden: Maastricht
Partner: naam partner
Kerk/parochie: naam kerk/parochie

Dan kunnen we deze info, als bidprentjes uiteindelijk een eigen rubriek krijgen, redelijk eenvoudig in hun eigen velden zetten.
Let wel, er zijn diverse verzoeken om allerlei rubrieken.

There are some entry boxes that should be removed, and some that should be added. Species should be removed, better to add:

1. place of birth

2. place of death

3. church/parish (important for all the above topics)

4. partner (handy for quickly finding two pictures of a married couple)

They are currently listed in the " Other " section
There we place all items for which there is currently no category.

There is a section in the planning where "Devotional Cards / Memorial Cards " " Devotion Cards " and " Birth Announcements" will be placed together.
There was not much haste for this, partly because paper and coin money has unfortunately stopped with Catawiki and collecting in general.
In that respect, it is nice that there is now another interested party for these items.
As soon as there is its own category, you are eligible to manage it.
Sorry you haven't gotten an answer to this yet.

That section will then include the fields you propose here.
Adding the fields as long as they are in other is unfortunately not an option.
There are so many items in that section that need fields of their own.

After all, we cannot create a hundred input fields in other to make everyone happy.

That's why we have the field "kind" as a field, which you can use for everything you want to be able to sort on, but for which there is no input field.

Then you do, for example, as species names
Place of birth: Haarlem
Place of death: Maastricht
Partner: partner's name
Church/parish: Church/parish name

Then we can put this information in their own fields fairly easily, if devotional cards eventually get their own section.
Mind you, there are several requests for all kinds of categories.