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As a new participant, I especially noticed that there is no logic in the presentation. If you click on a series, it will not appear in the order of numbering, while most series are simply numbered. Labels within a series are also not entered with numbers apparently, but with subject. A strange choice because that way you will never get the images in order. And even if you entered them by subject, they should at least appear alphabetically, but that doesn't happen either. The presentation is therefore completely arbitrary and there is (for me at least) not a single line to discover.
An example: building series by Centra. It is not called 'buildings' or 'taj mahal' or 'amsterdam' in individual labels, but as the package label states 'Building through the ages'. So it would make sense to include that series as a series under that name. And then name the labels 'Building through the ages 01', 'Building through the ages 02' etc.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be very critical right away, but I just don't understand the choices that have been made now. Maybe someone can explain that to me.

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vergetenboek Welcome to the site, maybe fill in something in your profile so we know who we're talking to (if you don't want to fill in everything then that's ok, but a gender and a country seems to me the minimum, also for shipping costs when you want something buys in a shop).
I don't know anything about match brands, but I'm just following the reasoning from your previous post.
The catalog currently consists of 92 sections. In each screen you have filters and a search function and a sorting function to reduce the results to the desired result.
So we start with the Match brands section. With Brands="Centras" and Series="Building through the ages" you get here. Now you see at the top that it is sorted by "Year" by default, which may not mean anything to you, but you can adjust this to Title, Number, ...
The quality of the result depends of course on what was entered, it is always possible that there are errors or fields are blank, so you will not find what you are looking for. You can, however, correct errors that you encounter.
If you have specific questions, always give #itemnumber when you post on the forum.
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Hello Jummeke

Thank you for your explanation. So you see that a newcomer always has a lot to learn. I had indeed not seen that sort button.

And the fact that I don't have anything in my profile is not because I don't want to, but because I hadn't gotten around to it yet. Will put some more in soon.

Thanks!
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vergetenboek

Dear man or woman, Piet, Pol, Marie-José or Esmeralda ... Also very welcome because of myself.
It can be overwhelming when you're new to LD. But little by little you learn to deal with it.
You already have the sorting. I also went to have a look myself, and not everything comes in the right order within a series at the match brands. This is due to the filling in of some fields. Anyone on LD can add and edit. Sometimes that gives a variety that confuses something, sorting, for example.



Without knowing anything of this category, I see, for example, that the number in the series contains hot water from various active people. If that field does not really contain a number (starts with 0, for example), then sorting is done alphabetically. 0012 comes alphabetically before 01 :) Putting everything in 4 positions (0001, 0002, ...) is a possible solution. But use a real number in the best. Then you no longer have to wonder which hot water (three positions? four positions?) you should use.
You can go into the detail of an item and change the entry for the field 'Number in series'. This way you get them in the right order for yourself, but so will all other users after you. That's the beauty of LD.



I suggest you give it a try: for a series, put the sequence number in a correct number format (1 and not 01, 12 and not 0012).
After making changes you will find a 'Save' button at the bottom.

To go back to the series from a detail (see the result of a change): click on the series name in the detail.
After a while you will automatically discover other, more efficient, ways of adjusting and navigating in the catalog. There are, don't worry :)

It is best to read the manual first. Not much work, but that way you know the most important agreements. There is no specific handbook for match brands, and the basis is the general handbook. In other sections there is usually an additional specific handbook (at Stamps, for example).
It is easiest to find the most suitable handbook (specific or general) in a category if you select 'Change item' in the detail of an item. You will then enter the change screen with a link at the top.



Don't be afraid to change, everything is kept in the 'History' so that you can always find what was originally there.

Last tip: In the main screen of a section you will also find who the 'administrator' is. You can always go there if you are not sure, or if you want to change specific agreements regarding the input. But personally I still think it's the best way through the forum. Then everyone can enjoy it.

PS: don't forget Jummeke's tip (fill in your profile a little more). It's more fun if you can address someone appropriately.
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I suggest you give it a try: put the sequence number for a series in a correct number format (1 and not 01, 12 and not 0012).

A lot of time has been spent by importers and managers to be able to show the match brands in a good way, so please only make adjustments in the series and numbering after consultation with the manager.
The problems cited by  vergetenboek on the problem of not knowing the sorting options yet.
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I looked for the manual and couldn't find it. I don't understand the hot water, but maybe there is some thinking behind it. A number is a number, right? A number that determines the order? I only see that number 19 is before number 1, because '0019' comes alphabetically before '02'...

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I mean a handbook related to the match brand catalog ...
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July 03, 2021 11:10
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You know there are only 5 specific handbooks left plus a basic handbook for all sections. It is about the effort that has been deliberately put in for years by expert volunteers. That a solution has been devised for the sorting because of a system problem (that field is not numerical) is fine. By the way, this is done in several sections.

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Tammo,
where could I find that this section has a special field that has to take into account (defined) rules when filling in / adjusting?
I did see that there was hot water in it, but couldn't get it. Especially not if one has '02' in front of one and '0012' for another in the same sequence. So there is definitely something behind it, but what?

Luckily I don't collect match brands (yet) :) I think I would have messed up already. But it has caught my attention now... In the manager's shop I see that they are actually not too expensive (compared to Stamps). I will remember this for when the long winter evenings come again. If other members on LD are not ahead of me at that time.
A long time ago in Brussels, 'Unalit' wood boards (pressed wood pulp with glue) were invented to recycle the 'waste' of 'Union Match' (match brand).. .  I have a thing for wood.

Conclusion for new member Daan (yes, your profile is nicely filled!):  Don't touch the 'Number in series' field at Match brands, it could be a disaster. What I wrote was based on ignorance :)  Happy on the forum. Otherwise nobody could correct me and we would have left with it.

My other tips still stand: read the manual and contact the administrator(s). And above all, don't be afraid to do something. Many eyes are watching and will give you a signal if something is not right. And ... that's okay if we make a mistake. As long as we learn from it. I'm learning every day (thinking through lol).
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July 03, 2021 18:11
 where could I find that this section has a special field that must take into account (defined) rules when filling in / adjusting?

No one can know, as long as there is no specific manual or that the help text for such fields has been adapted accordingly. This also applies to most sections. Earlier I have already asked for improved texts for the input fields, hereby again the request to improve those texts. Draft texts can be sent to me.
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