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In the Netherlands, there have been several publishers of first-day newspapers since the 1980s:



  • white van Importa (gray column)
    emblem crown and cancellation 'Groningen'
    publishing house Importa and printing company Joh. Enschedé and Zn.
  • yellow with curly decorative edges left and right (yellow column)
    no emblem
    stamping 'Groningen'
    publisher Select Nijmegen
    printer: Koninklijke Drukkerij G.J. Thieme bv, Nijmegen
  • blue van Visje (blue frame)
    logo fish with stamping '' s-Gravenhage '
    publisher Joh. A. Huisman Philatelie b.v.
    printer Offset printing Joh. Enshedé and Zn
  • yellow with straight decorative edges (yellow frame)
    no emblem
    stamping 'Houtem'
    publisher ???
    printer Joh. Enschedé and Zn.

In the 'Official stamp catalog Special Collection Areas Netherlands' of publisher Zonnebloem BV only the first 3 are mentioned (' Enschedé ',' Visje 'and' Select).

If anyone knows about other EDB issues (preferably with recognisability, publisher and printer), and / or can fill in the question marks with the above-mentioned 4 types: please report this additionally in this thread. . 'FDC' is listed ... I wonder ...

Now I am looking for a way to neatly select the releases (release per release separately). In order to be able to determine completeness / correctness in a structured and orderly manner.
Now I can only select 'first day sheet' and everything comes up like a mess on the screen.
eg: https: // www. lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/100293-nederland?cf%5B7855%5D=464379&stamps_filter=0&from=1982&to=1982

According to the instructions, the series name must be the series name of the stamps, so that does not offer a solution.
The printer (filled in beforehand, and correct) is also not usable because a particular printer is / was responsible for several types.
Publisher is not provided with stamps.
With the You will not get there either, because there is no filter for them (logical).
On 'sight' is impossible. One scan is already blurrier / darker than the other.

Rarara, how?
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Not much reaction ... and that with hundreds of first-day newspaper collectors ...

Meanwhile, schipper53 has well noticed that a 5th species is still present on LD. I have asked an introducer if the back can be added, then we will know a bit more. If it says on the front that the useful info is on the back...

The spelling also varies:

type Importa (crown): FIRST DAYS eg #2174829
type Select (yellow curling column): FIRST DAGLE e.g #3736401
type Visje (blue frame): FIRST DAY SHEET eg #3268049
type Yellow frame: FIRST DAILY NEWSPAPER e.g #8557335


  • White with blue-green ornamental frame
    FIRST DAY LEAF eg #2823243
    emblem: coat of arms with stork
    cancellation: various ('s Gravenhage, Groningen, Amsterdam, ...)
    publisher: The Hague Maxi
    printer: ???

I notice that certain images are quite firmly 'cut out', so that even the frame (blue, green, yellow) can no longer be seen. To hide a 'watermark'?

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April 25, 2021 14:11
Raoul62 I would try to mention a serial number for the 5 different ones.
crown serial number 1
yellow curling column serial number 2, and so on. , everything will appear, and there you select First day papers.
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In any case, this trick does not work with the specials box.
The search on LD is without 'Particulars'. Otherwise it was easy.
For 1991, for example, I have placed 'Visje' in the details with the issues of Joh. Huisman Philately. Just search for Visje in the Netherlands, you will get 0 results.

Another field can, but may not be used.

Sequence number in the sequence according to the teachings preferably contains only a number (greater than 0), and must be the sequence number in the sequence within the species. What 'smart guys' sometimes use there ... I sometimes wonder if they have ever read the handbook ('keep it simple and transparent').

The Series Name , whether first day tickets or one day newspapers, must have the same denomination as the stamps.

The circle is round. Nicely structured, but unusable to get something out of it (or to manage it) in terms of manufacturing (cardboard philately). Efficient but not effective. There is simply an essential difference between the two (and I know what I chose :) :) :)).
And that statement applies to all items related to crafting (cardboard philately) on LD .
There are also other publishers who have had first day tickets printed, there are other publishers of FDCs, there are several publishers of Maximum cards. But you don't get to see those things separately. Everything in one big mess.

If I were a seller, I would add my offers again and again. The time you waste searching ... and then perhaps not finding ... Simply adding, is the quickest of all. And is it a duplication? Bad luck, but not for me. Enough of those who figure that out and adjust it to LD. In their free time.



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The search on LD is without 'Details'.

Why do you think that?
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Well, I had put 'Visje' in the details of some EDB's and when I search for 'Visje' nothing comes up (0).
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April 26, 2021 02:11
I now get 23 results (1 of which is irrelevant).

And John. Huisman Yields 209 items.



Or do you mean searching in a selection , such as Eerstedagblad ? That is indeed not possible, you can only do this by title or catalog number.
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Not a general (top) search, but category-specific. First-day papers are items in the Stamps section.
A few atmospheric images:

1. The Netherlands, everything (no filter)


2. Category-specific (within Stamps, of course, that's where the first daily newspapers are located) search on Visje


Yesterday: 0, today: 1. Someone is seriously thinking along and experimenting (thanks Aart). If 'Visje' is in another field (persons, for example) you will get hits in the result.



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This would be a possible good solution, if that's allowed... A Fish is obviously not a person, but I don't think it's embarrassing?

3. The items with the mention 'Fish' in 'Particulars' are not shown


4. Year 1982 NL for first daily newspapers contains many types. Without additional filtering capability, it is a cacophony that is not usable for management (by administrators for management work, for collectors to manage the collection, for sellers to see if the item is already there, for buyers to complete their collection ):


For the items type 'Fish' I have replaced most of the bad images, so it gets a little better (you should be able to see that blue border in the Gallery when you place an image)



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This could be a possible good solution, if that is allowed ... A Visje is of course not a person, but it is not embarrassing I think?

It is not intended to use that field in this way. We will take a look at why Search in selection does not search in the Particulars field.
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It is not intended to use that field in this way. We will take a look at why Search in selection does not search in the Specifics field.

Because that was deliberately turned off? I think it was already reported during testing that it was no longer possible to search in the details field.
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If it is searched globally (top search box), then it cannot be for performance reasons that it is off. I wouldn't want an attack on the proper functioning on my conscience :)
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Because that was deliberately turned off? I think it was already reported during testing that it was no longer possible to search in the details field.

It was deliberately turned off, probably because it might otherwise also produce unintended results. We are looking into this.
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Alternatively, a field 'publisher' (such as printer) ... then that would also be a solution for the maximum cards that I will look at after the first daily papers and complete if feasible. And it would solve a lot for the FDCs. Both for the Netherlands and for Belgium. Remember, it's a mess there too. The 'cardboard philatelist' would benefit greatly from it. The section may be called Stamps, but it contains much more than that.

(and my arrow keys no longer work in these forum boxes)
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Try this one:
Go to the home page of postage stamps (the Home of the postage stamps section) and search at the top.

Search for "Huisman", links with the filters further refine by First day magazine or year or ... Take a look at what all comes out there (from the details field if it is filled in correctly).
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Yes, at the top it does search including the details. But when 'switching' between species (fish - importa - ...) you have to start over and over again, reset filter per filter, and hope that no other item contains 'magic word'.

No, normally I search with the bottom search box in the selection, then all other filters remain intact (country - category - type - type - year - ..).
Will simply drop a flag somewhere during search, so that the particulars are not included in that search field (and included in the top one). I hope they agree (both with details :)). Otherwise it will be a lost cause, also for what follows.


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Collectioneur I am curious about the result. If I am not mistaken, this was already stated in the test results at the beginning. As you say: this is deliberate, but what is the argument? Apparently it sometimes causes problems for me and others.
I even remember a proposal / suggestion where the user can choose himself via one or another option a) only fields b) with details c) with background info (this is not possible at all)
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I am curious about the result. If I am not mistaken, this was already stated in the test results at the beginning.

True, but in this holiday week (for the Netherlands at least) it is difficult to find out the necessary information.
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Ah correct, it is May holiday in the Netherlands. And King's Day tomorrow if I'm not mistaken? Will show a lot of orange again. Maybe an idea to pimp up Lastdodo thematic light somewhere during certain periods ... even more fun if it occasionally colors something different (without exaggeration) for a few days (limited). Green for Christmas, for example. Or red if the European Championship is won by ... oh well, lol
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I have a question about the German Eerstedagblads in particular
The information about the stamp(s) is often stated on the back.
I am mainly concerned with the Designer, but not only.
Can this information be added? I often add the Designer, but this is removed again.
Can't find anything about it in the manual.
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In the manual I see:
"For FDCs, occasional envelopes, maximum cards, etc., enter the designer of these items, not the stamp (unless of course if this is the same)."

First day newspapers are included with that 'ed'.

If you know the designer of the first newspaper, he can be included.
The designer of the stamp is already mentioned in the detail of the item 'postage stamp'.

Exceptionally, the designer of the stamp(s) is sometimes that of the FDC (the drawing on the envelope) or Maximum card (in the Netherlands the basic postcard was sometimes identical to the image of the stamp). Perhaps never from an EDB.

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Lyonesse in addition to the comments of Raoul62, sometimes the information on an EDC or insert card in an FDC can be used to further supplement the information on the stamp itself.

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