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Recently I have checked and completely supplemented all Dutch singles released on the Columbia label by Bovema. Several errors have been corrected and all have the correct year, except Piove by Henk Poort (CW 1168761 ) and the classic series" Musical Miniatures "(eg CW3311661). So if anyone here still remembers the year of release ....

Bovema released the singles between 1953 and 1973. After that, some re-releases with the famous Columbia label were released sporadically. (in 1979, 1980, 1981 and 1984).

In 1973, EMI took full ownership of Bovema and from then on the singles were released on the EMI label.

The release number system was 1969 changed to the European 5C 006-xxxxx system.

In Catawiki, Columbia also contains a number of singles from the American Columbia (1990 - 1993) owned by Sony. The singles were pressed in the Netherlands.

What do we do with that? They are not part of the original series, because that was EMI's English Columbia label. Shall I put them under a new label? Columbia [USA] or Columbia [Sony]? Does anyone have any idea what wisdom is in this? And how are we going to approach that?

If those Columbias have nothing to do with each other, then I would definitely split and tag them ... The problem is that that has to be done with all other Bearers. A monster job ...?

@French:

With Columbia [Sony] we can clearly distinguish the intended plates.

Regarding the dating of the Henk van Montfoort record: there is nothing to find. Given the song (I mean the song), 1959 or 1960 seems the most likely. The B side does not help us any further. That was an older number.

Inderdaad een monsterklus, maar in het kader van volledigheid en betrouwbaarheid.... :-)

Columbia [Sony] zou een oplossing zijn, maar er is ook een periode geweest dat ze een zelfstandig Amerikaans bedrijf waren en daarna had je nog een periode waarin ze onder CBS vielen. Misschien makkelijker om Columbia [USA] vs Columbia [UK] te gebruiken? of we moeten echt onderscheid gaan maken in Columbia [EMI], Columbia (Universal], Columbia [Sony], Columbia [CBS] en Columbia [USA] (de zelfstandige periode]

Wat betreft de datering van de Henk van Montfoort-plaat: er is niks over te vinden. Gezien het nummer (ik bedoel de song) lijkt 1959 of 1960 het meest waarschijnlijk. De B-kant helpt ons niet verder. Dat was een ouder nummer.

Inderdaad. Ik kwam ook niet verder. Is ook een vreemd releasenummer dat ik in geen enkele reeks kan plaatsen.

Ik blijf de platenbussines een boeiend wereldje vinden. :-) Het boek van Voskuil is fantastisch en vorige week zag ik de documentaire "The last shop standing" over een aantal zelfstandige en overgebleven platenwinkels.

A monster job indeed, but in the context of completeness and reliability.... :-)

Columbia [Sony] would be a solution, but there was also a period when they were an independent US company and then you had another period where they were under CBS. Maybe easier to use Columbia [USA] vs Columbia [UK]? or we really have to make a distinction between Columbia [EMI], Columbia (Universal], Columbia [Sony], Columbia [CBS] and Columbia [USA] (the independent period)

As for the dating of the Henk van Montfoort plate: nothing can be found about it. Given the number (I mean the song) 1959 or 1960 seems most likely. The B-side doesn't help us any further. That was an older number.

Indeed. I didn't get any further either. Is also a strange release number that I can't put in any series.

I continue to find the record companies a fascinating world. :-) Voskuil's book is fantastic and last week I saw the documentary "The last shop standing" about a number of independent and remaining record stores.

The mention of countries seems to me to be contrary to this rule of the handbook:

6.2.2 LOCATION City and country names are not included. Arcade (and not “Arcade Deutschland”)

We can also choose to use both labels: Columbia and Sony, Columbia and EMI etc.

The release number starting with DB was already used in the 78 rpm time. Only now 45 was put on. On the left side of the label is another number (starting with 7), but unfortunately it is not legible.

That rule does not apply to tags where they are different companies.

Confusingly ;-)

OK, Columbia [USA] and Columbia [GBR] then

@ Frans,

how do you recognize these singles and LPs CDs?

In Catawiki, Columbia also contains a number of singles from the American Columbia (1990 - 1993) owned by Sony. The singles were pressed in the Netherlands.

What do we do with that? They are not part of the original series, because that was EMI's English Columbia label. Shall I put them under a new label? Columbia [USA] or Columbia [Sony]? Does anyone have any idea what wisdom is in this? And how are we going to approach that?

You can recognize it by the label. Just select on Columbia - singles - Netherlands and then sort by year. You can see that the singles from the early 90s have an orange / red label.

CBS already took over the American Columbia before the war. After the war they could not use the Columbia label in Europe, because the rights for it were with the English Columbia (EMI). That is why those records were released under the name CBS. CBS took over Artone in 1970. Then CBS was taken over by Sony Music again.

The labels of the English Columbia are generally black, green or purple with that oval logo with Columbia in it. Most singles have appeared in the DB series.