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January 25, 2012 20:05

@ Arwin ??

Who is the manager of maps? (I'm guessing Arwin)

Because once again I have something vague / dilema.

I have cards from Aceh (Aceh) old and new

1 map is from 1814, so 'Sultanate of Greater Aceh and subordinate'

1 map is from between 1870 and 1890, so when the 'Sultanate of Greater Aceh and its subordinate' was at war with 'the Netherlands' battle was still going on

1 map from 1933 is therefore part of the 'Dutch East Indies'

1 map is Dutch from 1942, but then 'Japan'

1 card is from 2003 so part of 'Indonesia'

1) do I now have to put them all under Aceh, the Dutch East Indies, Japan and Indonesia ??

2) Or does the time in which the map was made determine the country it is ??

3) Or is it Indonesia because it is now?

My logic says option 1 but that is not clear,

Of course also money for e.g. Kosovo must he also under Yugoslavie ??

Maps of Old East Prussia under Germany or the present day Russia and Poland or both ??

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January 25, 2012 23:02

You can see who is the administrator of a section by clicking on the link "administrators" in the left column of that section.
You know that, right?

In this case I am indeed (recently) an administrator there.
René too, but he can be found almost everywhere.

What you should look at is how it looks on the map.
So with a 2012 map about former colonies, just enter the colony.

"Sultanate Aceh" and " Dutch East Indies " I created for you at the field " Former countries and colonies "

Incidentally, the rubric is not completely finished (as many rubrics are not yet finished)
For example, there will also be a field for "Unrecognized countries and territories"
I will expand the list at " Former countries and colonies " with many common countries and colonies .
The explanation is also adjusted here and there.

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January 25, 2012 23:09

Hi Arwin,

Thanks, almost clear ;-)

What you should look at is how it looks on the map.
So with a 2012 map about former colonies, just enter the colony.

The map from 2003 is not the former colony or Sultanate but the Autonomous province Aceh, which happens to be exactly the same / the same size as the original Sultanate as the Dutch colony, so the maps shown are each time of exactly the same area (only different owner / new roads / removed railways / larger cities, villages)

Do you think they should also all be in Indonesia ??? (seems to me)

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January 25, 2012 23:22

In the case of that card, it is indeed the country of Indonesia.
Aceh can be filled in at the field " Region / province " That's an open field, so you don't need me for that.

Keep in mind that nowadays the cities and areas are usually written in the local language (Beijing is just Beijing in Dutch nowadays, but we don't do London or Paris for some reason)

So as a former country it is Aceh (in Dutch, and on maps where it is indicated as a country) but the region is Aceh.

The text in the explanation for country "only enter if the country as a whole is on the map" is gone again, so ignore that.

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February 03, 2012 10:17

Are you going to actually enter them into Sinbad?
Or was it purely about the discussion?

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February 03, 2012 16:38

Maybe it is a very large map?

I think scanning / photographing takes a lot of time and time is and unfortunately remains scarce. But if Sinbad really wants to enter the cards, he will indeed have to put in some effort.

I have some maps (walking maps and regular maps) of Amsterdam that I have yet to enter, but it is on my to-do list and unfortunately it contains a lot. They'll get in, but be patient, Arwin.

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February 03, 2012 17:16

Most cards are simply fed in folded, Jouke, and that's fine.

The pictures on Catawiki are too small to view an unfolded map in detail, so the added value is in most cases not that great.

And if Sinbad doesn't want to enter them, that's fine too.
I'm just wondering if the input is coming up, or if he's just discussing to discuss.
That is not at all meant to be a criticism, I sometimes wonder with you.

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February 03, 2012 19:31

Ha, very easy and makes no sense,

Yesterday introduced several new banknotes

I have imported 1,913 new stamps, watches, books, CDs and banknotes

I am not going to fold a folder of 120 years for the scanner, so must have a nice photo, until now I am not happy with the photo result, it will be fine, calm, my life is bigger than entering maps and I am busy

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February 03, 2012 22:51

Sorry Sinbad, but I'm not going to dilate you anywhere, I'm just asking you a question.
I don't care at all whether you put those cards in or not, and I will never say anything about it.
I also know that you entered a lot and contributed to Catawiki in other ways.

I only saw that I had not answered you clearly enough at some point in your question, but thought it nonsense to do so if you did not intend to enter them anyway.

Anyway, you asked:

Do you think they should all go to Indonesia ??? (seems to me)

The point is that countries come and go.
The moment you start importing current countries to old countries, because they were in the same area as the current countries, you will run into problems if such a current country disappears or is renamed.
The idea is that if countries disappear, for all items where that country is entered, the country name, using a script, moves to the field " Former countries and colonies " and a new name is created for the new land.
Then if you enter current countries for old maps, in such cases you will get a situation in which such a map contains a correct, and a nonsense former country.

That is why you just have to look at what is on the card and fill in only that.

And you only enter those cards when you have time, or not at all.
That's not the point at all for me.

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February 04, 2012 18:26

@Arwin,

I went crazy with my camera and entered 2, these were the best photos that worked and I am moderately satisfied with them, but I will be a bean but I can only fill in Indonesia, the Dutch East Indies and Sultanate Aceh do not exist (yet) .

http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/ maps-and-globes / species / map / 2465777-atjeh-subject? area = 0610218f675a4781eca4a829a99e2cfff9ee4f58

http://www.catawiki.org : //www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/landkaarten-and-globes/species/provinciekaart/2465845-prov-nanggroe-aceh-darussalam? area = 0610218f675a4781eca4a829a99e2cfff9ee4f58

Edit: oja Dutch East Indies and Aceh found '' Ling-Long '' (so confused in Atjeehs ;-))

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February 04, 2012 18:53

Looks fine to me, those photos

Only the current countries are listed in the country list.
That is because of keeping it clear, and also because it is nice if that list is at least translated.
There are so many abolished countries that it is better if they are separate.

The country field is not a required field, and you should only use that field if applicable.

Former countries and colonies can be placed two spaces lower.
That field should probably become an open field in the future.

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February 04, 2012 18:57

Did Indonesia already exist in 1890?

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February 04, 2012 19:00

No, you and I ran into the object simultaneously, sorry,

But now that is Indonesia so my logic says Indonesia but that is not the case (apparently)

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No, and the reason is just very practical

I repeat myself again.

The point is that countries come and go.
The moment you start importing current countries to old countries, because they were in the same area as the current countries, you will run into problems if such a current country disappears or is renamed.
The idea is that if countries disappear, for all items where that country is entered, the country name, using a script, moves to the field " Former countries and colonies " and a new name is created for the new land.
Then if you enter current countries for old maps, in such cases you will get a situation in which such a map contains a correct, and a nonsense former country.

That is why you just have to look at what is on the card and fill in only that.

And apart from this, I also just want to avoid being guided by opinions when filling in the info.

You can fill in Afghanistan with a map about Bactria, but that actually just doesn't make any sense.
Apart from the territory, they are completely different countries.
So just fill in strictly what is on the card, and do not come up with things yourself. (even if it is correct)

As a theme, Indonesia is fine, after all, it is about the history of that country.

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February 04, 2012 19:47

@Arwin,

Completely fine, I have those maps because I collect the history of Aceh, I don't understand maps at all, that's why these weird questions and I don't understand structurally ;-), my own logic can sometimes be very illogical,

I agree with you, you have eaten more cheese than I have.

You can fill in Afghanistan with a map about Bactria, but that actually just doesn't make any sense.

Well for me it is quite logical ;-) (the area that the map shows is Afghanistan but 2500 years ago !!!)

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February 04, 2012 22:49

Well for me it makes perfect sense ;-) (the area that the map shows is Afghanistan but 2500 years ago !!!)

A country is much more than an area.
You also have to deal with the society and culture of the population.
You can't just classify a country under a completely different country just because it is in the same location.

In terms of approach there is also something to say for you logic, but it is simply impractical as soon as a change takes place in the current countries.

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February 05, 2012 08:48

@Arwin,

You are right, in fact you say that it is because of the depiction in this case, for example, the province of Aceh of Indonesia and the other map of Aceh as a colony of the Netherlands.

While I thought the mountains, cities and coastline are the same so we're talking about the same.

The longer I think about it, the more I find your logic more logical ;-)

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