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The labels Deutsche Grammophon and Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft are one and the same record company, only the records of the Gesellschaft are slightly older. Can these two labels not be merged or at least divided into 2 subcategories?

When adding new records from 1 of these two 'labels', the wrong label is often chosen. This makes it difficult for collectors to find their copy and in the worst case they add it, causing duplication.

i will merge both and add the second as a name variation to the first. However, it is still possible to enter both. Especially if people don't wait for the drop-down list. The label list is not fixed. So I may have to put them back together in a month or so.

@ Frans, volgens wat ik weet is Gesellschaft het zelfde als bij ons maatschappij  nv etc

net als in UK: Ltd  etc. We hebben afgesproken dit niet toe te voegen met andere woorden zodra Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft wordt gehanteerd gewoon Gesellschaft verwijderen volgens wat ik weet heb je nergens een naamvariant gemaakt met nv, Ltd maatschappy  of wat dan ook.

@ Frans, according to what I know, Gesellschaft is the same as our society nv etc

as in UK: Ltd etc. We agreed not to add this in other words as soon as Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft is used just remove Gesellschaft from what I know you haven't made a name variant anywhere with nv, Ltd Maatschappy or whatever.

@  DisneyMeemtwic

        Bij het toevoegen van nieuwe platen van 1 van deze twee 'labels' wordt nog vaak gekozen voor de verkeerde label. Dit maakt het voor verzamelaars lastig om hun exemplaar terug te vinden en in het ergste geval voegen ze hem toe, waardoor er doublures ontstaan .

zodra er een juiste scan van het vinyl bij staat gaat dit niet op! Daarnaast is niet alleen label er ter controle we hebben: releasenummer , titel, land, artiest rn uiteraard scans

@ DisneyMeemtwic

        When adding new records from 1 of these two 'labels', the wrong label is often chosen. This makes it difficult for collectors to find their copy and in the worst case they add it, causing duplication .

as soon as there is a correct scan of the vinyl, this does not apply ! In addition, not only the label is there to check, we have: release number, title, country, artist and of course scans

The problem is precisely with this label that the record or the cover sometimes says Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft and that people want to enter that.

Sometimes, however, the record says Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft and the record sleeve says Deutsche Grammophon. Then it is up to the collectors to choose where they want to add it and that is very difficult.

I myself hope that they will choose Deutsche Grammophon, but if there is a variant then choose the Gesellschaft variant, so 2 labels. Then you can sort on the 2 variations.

Mentioning the release number is a completely different story. Many importers enter a label code or a distribution code here. Those are completely different songs that can apply to multiple records.

Much can indeed be seen on the scans. I have already improved a number of items myself on the basis of the scans when they could be read. Many, however, take a photo from afar or copy the photo from elsewhere, making the scan very small.

All this together makes it sometimes difficult to find your own version. If I can't figure it out, I usually ask the people who entered the record.

The Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft also DGG or DG

Was or has never actually been a real GmbH, so here the G has a double meaning, both association and GmbH

from 1998 to 1900 it was an association, then an AG Aktiengesellschaft until 1937

until 1945 it also ran under Grammophon Meisterklasse

from 1972 to 1988 the parent company was Polydor International GmbH, but the label there ran under Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft

at the 90th anniversary of the company, the name Polydor GmbH has disappeared and the Label is only running under DGG again

So Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft is probably the best solution

@Dick,

as the Baron points out, it is not entirely clear what is meant by Gesellschaft. The translation of the Dutch BV would still have to be GMBH (Gesellschaft mit Beschränkter Haftung, literally means that company with limited liability. In Dutch, a BV comes closest).

It seems to me that the original idea to keep Deutsche Grammophon with the name variant Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft is not that bad.

Collectors who then search for DGG will automatically find DG.

As for record companies, there are currently only 4 left: EMI, Warner, Sony and Universal. All others have been "swallowed up". Apart from a number of small independants. By the way, we should not confuse companies and labels :-)

Polydor is now part of the Universal Music Group and therefore also DGG