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September 17, 2010 00:02

Usually it is clear, but sometimes Lombard and Helmond are both there.

Eg. Bruno Brazil - The shark that died twice (Young Europe Collection no. 59) 1969 1st edition
On the flyleaf is De lombard editions in large and smaller above it Uitgeverij Helmond - Helmond. What is it now?

Eg. Kleester family - Alarm on Borneo (Young Europe Collection no. 63) 1970 1st edition
On the flyleaf is De lombard editions in large and smaller above it Uitgeverij Helmond - Helmond. What is it now?

Would love to know about this.
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September 17, 2010 05:56

If there are both, it is a Helmond. The original publisher is Lombard, but for the Netherlands Helmond was allowed to take care of it, hence the extra imprint.

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  • September 17, 2010 12:31
September 17, 2010 12:31

So if you want to search for example the Lombard version of the above comics, will you have a better chance in Belgium? Are there more Helmond than Lombard versions in circulation (in general Lombardjes are more expensive than Helmondjes, also in the catalog?

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The Lombard versions are seen as the first editions and are therefore more sought after. You can also find plenty of them on Catawiki :-)

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In Belgium the Lombards are generally easy to find. They are rare in NL.

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The question could also be: Lombard or Albracht?

The distinction is not always clear. Often the name of publishing company Albracht is simply on the title page, but sometimes not. I found the same comment from Morits (12/9/2009) when I searched for this topic on this forum:

Another question about the laminate of the Helmond and Albracht editions. Who can unambiguously explain, if necessary with examples, what the differences are. Real Lombards are plasticized and Helmond and Albracht are varnished, while often the text in the album does not differ and therefore cannot be recognized.

Hans Matla mentions this phenomenon (Matla catalog, ninth edition, p.8 top left). He states that Albracht editions under the name Lombard appeared in the years 1979 and 1980. The difference can then only be seen from the laminate: Albracht editions can be recognized by a varnished cover (satin gloss), while a real Lombard was laminated. (high gloss).

He mentions three more exceptions in 1981, with the same phenomenon: CHICK 4.27, DANIF 2.1-2.3 and JUGUR 1.2.

It would be good to include this phenomenon in the Catawiki catalog as well. This has not happened to date. A good example is Buddy Longway, volume 8 'Firewater', 1979. There is always talk of 'Lombard Editions' first series, but the Albracht edition is not mentioned. What do others think of this?

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The question could also be: Lombard or Albracht?

The distinction is not always clear. Often the name of publishing company Albracht is simply on the title page, but sometimes not. I found the same comment from Morits (12/9/2009) when I searched for this topic on this forum:

Another question about the laminate of the Helmond and Albracht editions. Who can unambiguously explain, if necessary with examples, what the differences are. Real Lombards are plasticized and Helmond and Albracht are varnished, while often the text in the album does not differ and therefore cannot be recognized.

Hans Matla mentions this phenomenon (Matla catalog, ninth edition, p.8 top left). He states that Albracht editions under the name Lombard appeared in the years 1979 and 1980. The difference can then only be seen from the laminate: Albracht editions can be recognized by a varnished cover (satin gloss), while a real Lombard was laminated. (high gloss).

He mentions three more exceptions in 1981, with the same phenomenon: CHICK 4.27, DANIF 2.1-2.3 and JUGUR 1.2.

It would be good to include this phenomenon in the Catawiki catalog as well. This has not happened to date. A good example is Buddy Longway, volume 8 'Firewater', 1979. 'Lombard Editions' first series is mentioned, but the Albracht edition is not included. What do others think of this?

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The story of "kwidnunk" is perfect. Harry of the Yellow Sign in Hoorn was "kind" to point this out to me after 40 years of collecting. Few people know this because Matla reported this in the front of his catalog and not with the books themselves. Suddenly I no longer had 30 Lombards but Albrachts.

In the meantime I have replaced almost all of them and the difference is very clear. M.n. the Lombards can be nicely cleaned with a damp cloth, with the Albrachts this will immediately cause damage.

If I have time I will adjust some things.

Many misrepresent the books and the difference cannot be seen through scans or photos.

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I still see comics by Lombard and Helmond / Albracht wrong. In the catalog, unless Helmond / Albracht is mentioned on the title page.

Lombard has (where applicable) the serial number in the series on the cover and the cover is plasticized (= high gloss).

Helmond / Albracht has no serial number on the cover and the cover is varnished (= matt or satin).

Sometimes the Lombard version of an album is in the catalog twice (so both with number on the cover), whereby Helmond is mentioned by one publisher.

It doesn't hurt if providers take a look at their copies, which one they actually have.

N.B. Even Arco admitted that after all these years of collecting, he didn't know the difference either. And there were more collectors ...

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Look at #20773 The enigmatic mister Barelli, an item with number 45 on it was called the cover a Helmond while that is not possible, Helmond in many cases did not have a serial number on the cover. Always look at the cover itself as the differences have often been indicated above.
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The sequence number doesn't have to be deleted, does it? It's just number 45 in the Favorites series - 2nd series - Helmond?
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???? It can't be Helmond and you transformed him into a Helmond today??
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read well, a Helmond with no. 45 is not a Lombard but a Helmond, also look at the photo

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yes but yes but how, because no. 45 is there not on the Helmond...okay will align with Lombard
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have a look #20773 The enigmatic Mr. Barelli , there an item with nr 45 on the cover was called a Helmond while that is not possible

Oh, so you meant "called for a Lombard"
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 yes but yes but how then, because number 45 is not on the Helmond... 

Just like we do with other series, just keep numbering. Just like, for example, the Lombard collection or Free Flight HC.
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sorry, I actually meant the erroneous Lombard with the same title that I have now declared a duplicate...
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