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From a personal experience. Lastdodo acts as an intermediary in buying and selling. However, if there are problems, they "hide" behind terms of use (my opinion). I notice that it is more common for sellers to enter items for sale without making sure that the condition matches the information entered in Lastdodo. The condition of an item is arbitrary, I would ask about that. However, images that are incorrect, with or without dust jackets (for books), with or without attachments. Except for the good ones who do report this. Do I really have to check with the seller for each item whether the item offered is in accordance with the image and the information on Lastdodo. Or is this the seller's responsibility. And should I then be able to return the purchased item without any problems or find another solution? Who can help me with this?
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Lastdodo acts as an intermediary in buying and selling.

LastDodo is not (and never has been) an intermediary between buyer and seller. A buyer buys directly from a seller, without any involvement from LastDodo.
In addition to the seller's responsibility to describe his items as accurately as possible, the buyer also has the responsibility to ensure that he has been adequately informed about the condition of the item to be purchased.

Especially with any attachments, it is always necessary to inquire about this, because this is sometimes described later with the item or that not all copies have an attachment.

If you are dissatisfied with your purchase, always contact the seller first. However, there is no right of return with purchases from private individuals.
There is also the feedback system where buyers and sellers can see the history of a seller or buyer (via the profile, interesting for a seller when a new buyer registers)
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Sorry, I'm not into short stories.

About books, where a book with a dust jacket has been entered in the catalog and the same book is also offered for sale in terms of correct printing, without explanation and only a quality (mint condition, good, reasonable), then as a buyer you must assume that the dust jacket is included. However ... if you are a buyer, I would err on the side of caution and inquire anyway. LastDodo indicates "own photos" or photos come from the catalog data. And there is an opportunity to ask questions including the addition of photos by the seller. It actually works the same with other categories.

I see it this way: As a seller I would be very stupid to offer something without good information and as a buyer I don't take the risk of buying something without that information. I don't always need to see a photo, also depends on the seller and their feedback. And with books, with dust jacket is a completely different value than without. An example: A Bob Evers with neat dust jacket 15 euros or more, if someone offers that part and print without photo, good condition without description 10 to 15 euros price, you order and receive a Bob Evers hardcover very nice but without cover, well it is worth 3 to 5 euros or so. But again before I would order I would ask at least that cover and what it stands for and possibly 1 photo ..

Inquiring also has the advantage that sellers are shaken up and think yes, I better take the trouble to add something clear in the explanation in the future. For books with a dust jacket: at least with or without a dust jacket.

And then the return, one seller will not be difficult and acknowledge that he has sent something that is not correct, the other can give an argumentation that may also make sense.
You may come across a seller who says: before you order you can ask a question ...

In general I can say that shops are not waiting for discussions and would like to keep their feedback 100%. But there are also providers of books, comics, etc. who have little knowledge of value, quality and that can cause all kinds of misery / discussions afterwards.
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As Collecteur indicates, catalog items can change in the meantime. A seller might (with the best of intentions) have entered a book without a dust jacket, with perfect photos, into the catalog and put it up for sale, only to find out a few years later that someone else had added new photos with dust jackets. No seller can continuously keep track of which (rightly or wrongly) changes are made in the meantime by other users.

Of course, your own photos of the offered copy (with a detailed description) are always the clearest, but you will have to admit that LastDodo makes it very easy to omit them. That's the only downside to buying based on catalog data.
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For a seller, whether it is a professional or an amateur / private person, it is important to check ttv an order whether something has changed in the catalog. It is quite a necessity, even with not so expensive items, such as recent Donald Ducks, it happens that someone adds in the catalog that an appendix belongs to it. You can't prevent everything, I know that, but most of it can be prevented before you send something.
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For a seller, whether it is a professional or an amateur / private person, it is important to check ttv an order whether something has changed in the catalog
Go for it with an order of a few dozen, if not hundreds, stamps. That is really impossible to do. You can easily spend a few hours with such an order without this check.
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You're right there, I have it easy in that regard with only a few times more than 10 books or comics.
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From the above remarks I have to make sure for myself that when I place an order, I add the condition "as described in the Lastdodo catalogue". But I will probably get that wrong again.
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I would ask first and then order.
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Too bad you can't Block Buyers here from 12 Feedback 8 Negative and a Neutral Wow maybe better Buy in a shop??
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A seller might (with the best of intentions) have entered a book without a dust jacket, with perfect photos, into the catalog and put it up for sale, only to find out a few years later that someone else had added new photos with dust jackets.

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In fact, you should not enter a book without a dust jacket. Such an item is not in its original condition. If you do and you put the copy in your shop without further explanation (e.g. without dust jacket), you yourself take the risk of problems when selling.

In a few cases it is not entirely clear whether a book was published with a dust jacket. Then it is wise to report this in the Details and the Comments of the item in your shop.
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Collectioneur Sorry, just messing around. LastDodo is not (and never has been) an intermediary between buyer and seller. A buyer buys directly from a seller, without any involvement from LastDodo. An intermediary is an intermediary (legal) person. Lastdodo mediates because Lastdodo opens its site to supply and demand. Buyers and sellers also receive notification from Lastdodo that an order has been placed and a link to an invoice. Mi an intermediary.
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The discussion about introducing a book that includes a dust jacket for TTV publication has often been had. Our own Koninklijke Bibliotheek with its Giga catalog has never prioritized the "possession" of the complete book with dust jacket, especially when it comes to books before 1960 . For that KB catalogue, the book without the dust jacket is sufficient and with SO "nice to have". I think that a book without dust jacket and not yet known in the LD catalog can be entered correctly, after all, that has always happened. For the enthusiast and deeper digger (and fortunately there are still quite a few) it is worth checking whether that book is known on the internet or at KB with a dust jacket. Ergo I have been entering books for years that I have without a dust jacket and where I know that it belongs to it or it is possible that a book with SO exists, I put it in the details. Incidentally, I still see that some people think that a book with a cloth binding is also a book with a "fabric" cover, but that is another chapter. And yes, a book without a dust jacket that would belong to it is indeed incomplete, but certainly not "worthless" for both collectors and readers.

In conclusion, I'm really not an expert on (comics) books, just a bit of a connoisseur of what I have copies of or what I've collected. That's exactly why I like discussion or talking about books, content and appearances so much on this forum.
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And yes, a book without a dust jacket that would belong to it is indeed incomplete, but certainly not "worthless" for both collectors and readers.

Sorry, this statement is generally incorrect. Most books without original covers are worth a lot less than copies with, but there are also exceptions. Some books are so rare that even a copy without it is difficult to find and therefore represents a certain value.

And we have nothing to do with (qualifications of) the Koninklijke Bibliotheek (libraries, by the way, tend to first mutilate the books and only then offer them for reading/inspection. It is logical that the so is not important).
I think it has always been the intention to include books that are in their original condition and are therefore collectable copies in the LD catalog.

It is fine to bring in copies without so, if they are not yet in the catalogue. However, if you put them up for sale, you run a certain risk.
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I really don't understand what's wrong with my comments/my response in this forum post.
And being so upset about what is a fact at the KB, is that necessary now? I am not the only one who looks up the KB for information.

Finally : if it is so important for the LD book catalog that books with a dust jacket should by definition not be imported, where is this described?
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Harry calls them
definitely not worthless
and you find them
worth a lot less

Is that a fundamental disagreement?
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And being so upset about what is a fact at the KB, is that necessary now?

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The KB is not the standard for handling an item in LD , so what you wrote about it was totally irrelevant.

Finally : if it is so important for the LD book catalog that books with a dust jacket should by definition not be imported, where is this described?

It is not said in so many words, but you can see that from what is written in the Handbook on page 8:
"A catalog item is always assumed to be complete and in new condition. And that's how it should be entered. Of course, the copy you own could have all sorts of defects, but you enter it into the catalog as if it wasn't."

You can never enter a copy without a dust jacket as if it were a complete item in new condition, because it looks different.
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Harry calls them
definitely not worthless
and you find them
worth a lot less

Is that a fundamental disagreement?


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My sentence should have been completed:

"Most books without original covers are worth a lot less than copies with, and therefore worthless , but there are also exceptions."

So fundamental?
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In that case we also have a difference of opinion.
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Thanks for " " A catalog item is always assumed to be complete and in mint condition. And that is how it should be introduced. Of course, the copy you own could have all sorts of defects, but you enter it into the catalog as if it didn't. "

Fortunately, there is nothing wrong with someone entering a book that is not new in terms of photos (usually the case, the older the book, the more it occurs) and a dust jacket is missing at that moment, or the person who enters does not know that a dust jacket is included. belongs.

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've been trying for years to revive the forum with regard to books, to participate in questions/discussions. No intention whatsoever to say anything nasty or to be pedantic, in fact I freely admit that I am not an expert, just an enthusiast. It should remain fun, even if you don't like getting the slap on the wrist at any time. I can say that.

I'm going to step back after this last post and let it sink in. LastDodo is my hobby and it will remain that way.
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In that case we also have a difference of opinion.
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OK, you have your way.

"Most books without original covers are worth a lot less than copies with, and therefore often worthless , but there are also exceptions."
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Things without value are unsaleable and therefore only valuable to the person who owns them.
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Interesting discussion, good points have been mentioned back and forth.
But going on (and what it's all about in this topic: seller's responsibility).
Before things seem to get out of hand, I'd like to add that it's broken down here into a) how it's entered, and how it's rated (seller/collector).


You can never enter a copy without a dust jacket as if it were a complete item in new condition, because it looks different.

And therein lies the answer to be read in my opinion : when imported (preferably read complete) one does not indicate that it is in new condition!. That is done by the seller/collector. And does it come with a cover?, which is not included, it is never in new condition: ergo: the seller/collector is wrong . (topic title)
Perhaps this reasoning is clearer?

edit: of course this is the desired image, but as a buyer you are still jointly responsible, to convince yourself. In/in any way..
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Perhaps this reasoning is clearer?

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Unfortunately not.

The importer does not declare a condition, but according to the Handbook he must import the item as if it were a complete copy in new condition.
A book without so looks completely different from a complete copy with so in new condition. You cannot enter such a copy as if it were a complete copy in new condition.

[Edit]
In addition, a copy entered in the catalog must at least look like a copy in reasonable condition. Copies in poor condition (eg ex-library copies) should be removed. The question is how we should assess the condition of a copy without SO.
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vertigo ooh
comment on the last sentence. : that seems clear to me: MAX. good condition, if everything else is okay; (booking has 3 levels).

I understand that having good quality renderings in a catalog is very beneficial.
However, the existence of an item that is not yet in the catalogue, and there is evidence of its existence, still evokes a different picture (usefulness/completion). But we digress (at least partially).
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