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I see that some parts of popular, relatively recent comic series  have been revalued quite a bit in the catalog in value. Now I have a number of parts so it's nice that of the thousands of comics in my collection, a few have become worth more than less. However, who determines that value increase? I also occasionally submit price suggestions, but then for books because they are generally too high in the catalog. Apparently you do not see in the system who submitted the price suggestion. From the old days I know the phenomenon of "withholding" or of wanted albums (eg Storm's HCs) by shopkeepers, so that collectors quickly missed the mark. Bul Super would say "trade is trade". In this case I am referring to parts from series Jerome K Bloks, Chick Bill, Rik Ringers, there will probably be more series. Why then only a few parts (I assume approximately the same edition)  are scarce then escapes me. See eg: #6975515
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Vwb. the part you link to: have you seen how many searchers are looking for this part, how little supply there is and what the two sellers are asking for it?
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Price suggestions are and remain a fun phenomenon, which you can discuss for hours and in the end everyone is right :-) It is certainly not the case that most price suggestions for Comics go up.
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Rene 

You have a point, supply and demand. In the case of the popular series Jerome K Bloks (I think that's a fantastic comic, that aside) it would be the case that with every part of the series where the supply dries up, there is a chance that a price suggestion will be made. Apparently the drying up is then monitored, after all, a price suggestion does not come out of the blue. And then the chance that an album is offered for a reasonable price is gone. Until another 10 are offered.. Something like that? I wonder if there will be other responses.
 
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Apparently the drying up is then monitored, after all, a price suggestion does not come out of the blue.

There are also just a lot of users who follow the market and who like that the cat value is in line with reality. Also because it is used in the value addition of your collection, shop, etc.
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Additional to my speech months ago. The time dimension in the 'Revenue LastDodo shops' block.
Harry56 has provided a beautiful specimen as an example.

The sales table shows that a copy in new condition has been traded for 5 euros. But, was that a transaction from May 2022, or one from 10 years ago?
Based on that price from the table, I personally find the 'LastDodo Catalog Value' for new value laughable ... 75 euros ...
If the transaction of May 2022 is the highest in that table (45 euros), that is another story. Although, it reminds me of stamp catalogs :)

But the table 'Income LastDodo shops' can put you on the wrong track.

Maybe a 'tooltip' on the lowest and highest value revealing the trade date? Then you would already get some insight into the development of the value.
Better, of course, a link per condition that then shows a screen with the history of the sales prices (in the style of 'All collectors').
If you don't want to know, don't click. But I am convinced that it would be clicked a lot. That's how curious I am.

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It is guesswork how the proposals for price suggestions come about and, as you have explained, it is difficult to estimate properly. It may well be that someone who wants to offer a series sees that some parts are not offered, that there are many searchers and then first opts for a price proposal before the album is offered for sale. This is also an example: not a rare album, but a sought-after album. #2834841 The fact that someone once paid 55 euros for it still doesn't mean that this is the market value as far as I'm concerned. But such an album quickly goes from retail price 10 to 20 to 40 and then even to 80 new condition. But as Collectioneur says, "trees" can take you days.
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It is a guess how the proposals for price suggestions come about

What's there guessing about Harry56 ?
Users can make a price suggestion. You indicate that you do that yourself, so you know how that goes.
Administrators who are authorized to review them can then review them, taking into account reasonableness. Often a source is mentioned on which the submitter bases the suggestion. Of course, we also look at what it was previously sold for in the market and what is now being asked for.
A list price will only be adjusted after the review.

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Judging by that price from the table, I personally find the 'LastDodo Catalog Value' for new value laughable ... 75 euros ...

When determining the catalog value, it does not make sense to only look at past transactions but also what is being asked for now and what it is being sold for in the market now.


If the transaction of May 2022 is the highest in that table (45 euros), that is another story.

That was indeed the last transaction. In near mint condition when sold.

Of course it is better to have a link per condition that then shows a screen with the history of the sales prices (in the style of 'All collectors').

Yeah, that's definitely something we're going to make. We just can't do everything at once :-)
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Even if I submit a price suggestion myself with an explanation why, then it is still possible for another user to guess what that motivation is? Maybe I'm not expressing myself right again. Excuse me then.
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Even if I submit a price suggestion myself with an explanation of why, then it is still a guess for another user what that motivation is?

There is a very large motivation box if you submit the price suggestion. Partly based on this, the manager can assess your price suggestion. Do you mean you want to make that motivation public for everyone? That doesn't seem very useful to me because people also refer to what they have paid for something themselves, etc.  Harry56 
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No I don't mean that. If I enter an item that is not yet in the catalog and I know approximately its market value (I know that with books pretty much, just search at bookstores or something) then I enter it, motivation doesn't have to be according to the rules. If I don't know the ttv input (sometimes with curiosities) then I leave the value fields open. I wouldn't have a problem with another user knowing my motivation. With normal changes, you will see the user who has made changes in the history, but not with price suggestions. So you can't ask.

If you were to ask me why do you bring up the subject of price increases, just curious, what I still have in my collection in terms of comics I went through whether I am going to put some series for sale. Then I came across quite significant upward revaluations for a number of what I call recent albums, that was new to me. Hence.
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If I make a price suggestion, I always give a motivation. I refer, for example, to the number of searchers on Last Dodo in relation to the offer, the previous sales via Last Dodo, and recent auction proceeds via Catawiki and sometimes also consider whether such a book is still offered at regular stores outside Last Dodo (think, among other things. to the cartoon monkey, or Akim).
If, for example, a book has been auctioned on Catawiki auction for 125 euros, and 2 or more bids are above 100 euros, I will give a target price of 100 euros referring to this auction.
Obviously this does not give an exact value but only an indication, nor does it guarantee future price/value.

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I'll go back to your original question, Harry56 

Why then only a few volumes (I assume about the same edition)  are scarce then escapes me.

Perhaps your assumption about circulation is incorrect. Sometimes fewer copies of certain albums are actually printed in a series.

Another possible explanation is that a later part only comes out after a large interval / unannounced.

In both cases the album is sold out at some point and a number of collectors notice that they have missed the release. Apparently there are enough enthusiasts who are willing to pay a lot of money to close that shortage in their collection, and that naturally translates into higher asking prices. There are many current series that have such a scarce and sought-after album (including Isabel, Bram Jager, Mini-Mensjes, Rik Ringers, Agent 327, Sophie etc).
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sucazel thanks 

About unannounced release, I only found out years ago that I am missing 2 Rik Ringers albums, I bought RR's ttv release from Panda. It is therefore possible that those parts in question were already sold out. And those 2 are now also at the price... 

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I have already noticed that some comics are offered by sufficient providers, but that there are also searchers who apparently do not respond to the offers. So whether the supply-demand ratio plays such a role...
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List is for the fairs PeterMotte ;-)
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The price of course...
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I have already noticed that some comics are offered by sufficient providers, but that there are also searchers who apparently do not respond to the offers. So whether the supply-demand ratio plays such a role...

PeterMotte 
Good observation, I see that regularly.



The price of course...

Edit: buizer 
That is not always the case. Even if the price of the items on offer is very low, the number of searchers remains the same.
One of the reasons may be that a searcher has already been provided, but the item has remained on its search list. Another reason may be that items are incorrectly added to the list of values, 

It would be nice if the date of placement on the list of values would be mentioned. For example, if an item has been searched for 10 years or more, then the searcher is probably not interested anymore.

Will the search lists ever be cleaned up? And if an account is canceled, does the associated search list also disappear?



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vertigo Do quote the right name...
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Thanks for the warning, I've edited my post. It was obviously intended for buizer 
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PeterMotte I recognize - as a buyer and as a seller - the picture you paint:

I have already noticed that some comics are offered by sufficient providers, but that there are also searchers who apparently do not respond to the offers.

It certainly won't be the only explanation, but I regularly come across comics where none of the sellers have displayed their own photos. Then I, as a prospective buyer, won't bite.
I also come across comics where the pictures shown do not correspond to their flattering description. Nor do I buy from such sellers.

But that's not the whole explanation. I recently put my albums of the Doorzon family up for sale as an experiment. All in near mint condition, first edition, photos of the front and back included. My shop has 100% reviews, and in terms of asking price I went below the already offered strips (50 cents each*). Nothing that would stand in the way of a purchase, you would say. And even with 5 searchers per album, they are not sold.

*I could of course put them on the market even cheaper, but then you will lose more time with them than you earn anything from them. I'd rather give them away, or take them to the thrift store.
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even with 5 searchers per album they are not sold

That's a reality. Many searchers and yet no response.
How many of those 5 searchers are Catawiki-ers (from the very beginning) who have missed the creation of LastDodo?
In other words: 'sleeping' users. May have been dead and buried for 10 years, but their search continues to live on on the site under a different name.

Once again a reason to consider a purge after all.

Also for those who once made one (or more) account, and have left a collection or search list of 10 identical items as a test.
Also for those who have a new account every three months, and that for years in a row created. And have placed the same 10 stamps or books in a search list in all those accounts over and over again. To then charge a high price with one account (based on the 'big demand'). Once sold (whether or not followed by a delivery), the site is then left to never return.

Rene 
Perhaps a structured approach: who has not been logged in for 5 years and a search list has: send an email announcing the deletion of the account (unless the user logs in again).
These search lists trick the system, permanently and indefinitely.


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I agree with the idea of a purge. It would also make everything clearer.
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Now that I read this topic... I had to adjust my own search list once..
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A purge would also unburden the servers.
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