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Hello,

I am fond of Khani Luxe large format, and see these occasionally appear on auctions (Catawiki, Bobbedoes) and/or for sale. The problem is that there are different versions.
 
I see them appear as follows (as an example):
  • Numbered from  .../250 to .../250  are the numbers that comic book lovers can buy
  • Numbered E.A ../25 to ../EA : for the authors ?
  • Numbered HC : which are those 
  • Out of trade (B.H. ?)
  • Unnumbered
 
How does this work?
The question is which one should I buy, it's a matter of preserving value, because sometimes the prices are skyrocketing.
 
There is a bid on Catawiki (Natasja – The Blue Sparrowhawk) for currently 700 € + 30 € transport + 9% of the winning bid = approx. 800 €. And this for a comic B.H.
 
Can you explain a bit more?
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speedy6269 Hi, Can you explain who you mean by "you"? we are here with 100 third-party collectors ;)

For questions about auctions and Catawiki, it is best to contact the CW website, they cannot answer that here.. The rest of your questions will probably ( soon) someone for you.
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Replace "you" with "someone" :)

the question was not about Catawiki (that was an example).
The 1st question is about the species : for comic lovers, EA, HC, BH
The 2nd question is: which one should you buy for value retention.
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EA = Edition d'Artiste
HC = Hors Commerce
BH = Outside the Trade

Are all the same, copies outside the regular (for sale) edition. Some people attach more value to such a number (or letter, or Roman numeral) and as long as those enthusiasts are there, these copies have a somewhat higher commercial value (usually, because you cannot predict the result at auctions). Personally, I don't get what's so special about it.
Some collectors also like a low number, but that doesn't matter for the quality of the book (unlike graphics like etching, where the print quality decreases the more of it printed).

Unnumbered copies are surpluses (because a printer often delivers more than was ordered) and are usually estimated as less valuable. Often there is also something missing, e.g. a signature or a print, or they are rejected copies.

Because a limited edition is usually determined in advance (and mentioned in the book), sometimes the remaining books are different ( HC) to be able to sell them (ka-ching), instead of destroying them.
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In addition to Boekenmagazijn's answer:


The question is which one should I buy, it's a matter of preserving value, because sometimes the prices are skyrocketing.
 

The value of a comic book is what a madman will pay for it. At the Catawiki auction you regularly come across buyers who pay insane amounts for albums that are sometimes still available on a regular basis.

The number of enthusiasts is declining; Value retention then becomes a difficult and therefore uncertain undertaking.
So I would say: Go for the cheapest, then the loss is the smallest...


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For example, there is a bid on Catawiki (Natasja – The Blue Sparrowhawk) for currently 700 € + 30 € transport + 9% of the winning bid = approx. 800 €. And this for a comic B.H.

For the full story - and to explain the high bid - it should be mentioned that this is a book including the original plate.

https://www.catawiki.com/nl/l/59111399-natasja-22-de-blauwe-sperwer- original-drawing-edition-20-ex-luxury-large-format-hardcover-with-linen-spine-3x-ex-libris-first-print-2014

The same book with edition 20 , but without original plate, sold for 180 in 2016.

https://www.catawiki.com/nl/l/7578553-natasja-de-blauwe-sperwer-luxe-khani-issue-outside-de-handel-copy-15-20- hc-2014

As with everything, and as mentioned earlier in this thread: it just depends on what the madman gives for it.
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It is not only an edition with an original drawing ("dedicace"), but also the only version on which Natasja is on the cover without "B.H." and pants. ;-)
That may cost a bit
New price in 2014 was – as far as I can ascertain – 350 euros.
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Thank you all for the explanation.
Summary : don't buy unnumbered and/or B.H.-H.C.
Otherwise I can be as crazy as I want :)
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We are now 5 months further, and in the meantime (to my shame and shame) I have learned a lot about Khani's publications. An expensive hobby :) (52 pieces in my possession)
Well, what have I learned?
- There are actually 3 editions : the regular, BH = out of trade and AE copy (in French : HC or EA)
- Until 2010, all editions were basically the same: with an ex-libris, possibly with a film cel
- after 2010 they (I don't know who, probably Khani himself) did it differently : the regular version come with 1 ex-libris (without film cell); the BH & AE came with several ex-libris (2 or 3 pieces), which in itself means added value. An AE in itself has even greater added value (in my opinion) because it concerns an author's copy.
- In general, the prices on LDD (new-new condition-good-reasonable) have been pulled by the hair, except when it comes to Natasja copies. Those prices are skyrocketing!

All in all: very nice editions, And we go for all editions :)

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