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May 29, 2022 13:25
Dear fellow collectors,

Today the Handbook Beer Labels has been published. As soon as a new item is entered or an item is changed, the link "Handbook Beer Labels" will appear at the top of the page ( https ://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/manuals/39-bier labels ) in the picture.

I would like to ask everyone to read the Handbook carefully and also enter the items as instructed in the Handbook. This means that all sections (and associated additional sections) for which information is present on the label are actually completed. This saves the administrator a lot of extra work and also makes the catalog even more complete than it is now.

If you have any questions about this Handbook, please let me know. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Ewald63.
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May 29, 2022 13:34
Ewald63
Congratulations on the Handbook, well done with the Beer labels!
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May 30, 2022 12:55
Very good Ewald63 !
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That's a great job Ewald63
Sometimes when I have a 'good' drink, and I get the label off, I add it. And it was not always easy to know how best to fill it in. I'll take a look at the manual. And hope that afterwards, with a next addition, I will provide proof that I have read it correctly.
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Thanks for the compliments  :-) 

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Certainly an improvement towards uniformity. But I regret that the co-collector was not involved. Why not first put it on the forum as a draft version to give the fellow collector the chance to give their input. So that administrator might have taken their concerns/ideas into account.
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KANES 
As with all other manuals, comments are always welcome. But you have to start with something first and that happened with this publication.
You can make your comments publicly on the forum in this topic or via a PM to Ewald63 
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Thank you for your response. It seemed more efficient to me to post a draft version on the forum first and at the same time/together give the fellow collectors the opportunity to know their possible concerns/ideas/comments. Instead of always having to adjust the manual after message forum or PM from every collector/involved to administrator. And then this possible adjustment has to be communicated again or the person entering labels misses out on this new information. Because this new manual is the result of this reason, I thought. Thanks again for your response.
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KANES 
As long as there is no manual for a specific section, the Basic Manual applies. So there has always been a manual for Beer Labels. With this handbook there is more specific attention for Beer labels, which is better than no (basic) handbook at all.
Apparently you do not agree with something that is written in the handbook, but as long as you do not report this, you cannot to be discussed.
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I am having a hard time as a collector with the following text in the manual.

Year 
● The year in which the beer bottle was obtained by the importer. Normally this is 
within 1 to 2 years after filling the beer bottle so that the label can be reasonably placed in the issue-
period.


As a collector, the information on the label is essential. Such a rule does not seem OK to me because this is guesswork.

Enter the date as indicated on the label, otherwise leave it blank is my suggestion

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June 06, 2022 15:24
 Enter the date as indicated on the label, otherwise leave blank is my suggestion 

Is difficult to check when someone has bought/received a bottle. Sounds like a good proposal to me, especially if you can also select "Not filled in".
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Enter the date as indicated on the label, otherwise leave blank is my suggestion 

The date on the label is usually just the best before date. For beers with a long shelf life, this date therefore says nothing about the date of issue. The date on the label can be 3 to 5 or even 10 years ahead of the label's designation.
Guess work here isn't so disastrous either as it's an approximation of the label's release time. With the year of purchase you are reasonably close to that period.

And as also stated in the manual:  If the year cannot be determined, for example because the labels have been obtained from third parties, then the year will NOT be entered.
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If there may be a difference of 3.5 or 10 years with the actual release of the label and then just guessing, I don't think it's a good idea. In other words, almost always nothing is entered. Then I would rather see the best-before date taken into account, as it is also important for the real collector for the differences in his collection.
By the way, the beer will be brewed in the same or 1 year earlier than the first year of the best before date. Can one Max. only have 1 year margin. A different label (with a different best-before date and possibly a different volume %) will be made for each brew.
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A different label (with a different best before date and possibly a different vol%) will be made for each brew.
I know nothing about this matter and the way you collect, but I do want to make you think:
The way you write it here reminds me of a small hobby brewer who happens to make a brew .
But what about large breweries that churn through millions of bottles and use those labels for months or years? You can't include every label with every date, can you? Don't you follow the sales market to see when something new will pop up?
What we're looking for is the smallest possible (read earliest) appearance of a label. This isn't necessarily your label, or...?
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