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February 24, 2022 17:09
Lyonesse 
What Boekenmagazijn  write above is what I meant with the two screenshots from my post of February 23, 2022 11:01 PM
For once without words, but apparently not clear ... so from now on I will but use a lot of words. :)

It is (should) be listed twice, but of course it is only present once in the database.
The database does not see a user. It works with the interface: the list of (the filter on) Artists / Bands. There it is shown 'double', for ease of use (search and find). Whatever you're looking for (name or alias), you'll find it. It doesn't matter which one you click. You get the same result on your screen.
And that's what it's all about: being able to place the correct (correct, appropriate, complete) selection on your screen.
  • To be able to choose from there (I click to add it to my collection).
  • Or to deduce from that: it isn't there (yet), so I can add it.

The second approach is that, if you want to search for everything about a certain singer, you should be able to find it. Only if the person with the real name is registered in the database, with the artist name as an alias, can you achieve that.
If Pérez Cerezo sings a song on a CD like Baila Perez tomorrow, you will be there shining with your Perez, Belle.
And if she later releases something like María Isabel ... then this Flemish Spanish is wrongly mixed with another Beauty, from the Netherlands.
No, the (clean) child has been given a name at birth. That name should be the basis of every registration. In addition, the aliases do ensure user-friendliness.
When looking up on the basis of one alias (artist name), the system then ensures that all works of the person are retrieved based on the real name. Regardless of what stage name was used.

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February 24, 2022 18:10
For solo artists we use the baptismal name (last name, first name) 
Thank you FransS for the clear explanation, because according to vertigo everything I say is not true.
No further comment from me.
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February 24, 2022 19:38
is everything I say is not true
That's not true either :)

What I think about it: with experienced users and administrators (whose efforts and diligent work are indeed highly appreciated) a 'habit'  can become so normal that it seems almost obvious. While new blood doubts that evidence. Rightly or wrongly, but in a positive way. Likewise, new blood can also lack just that little bit of experience to see clarity.
Sometimes something like this has to be shaken a bit. It is like proofreading a text that you have written yourself. There are no errors or ambiguities in there, right? Until someone else reads it...

If I see something I think is wrong, I do something with it. If I get the seven plagues of Egypt because of that, then so be it.
Let it pass apathetically (as some preach: let it pass, someone else will care) I won't, I can't .

Either it is a mistake, a mistake, a misunderstanding or a misconception, and then it gets resolved by communicating about it. That's what the forum is for. Everyone has the right to be wrong or to make mistakes. And we can only learn from that. There are no different versions of the truth.
It doesn't matter which 'camp' that error, mistake, misunderstanding or misconception is in. The mistake, mistake or misunderstanding may just as well be in my camp. And then I also want to see that clarified. And preferably as soon as possible.

Otherwise I am the one who can expect reactions within a few years, as a misanthrope wrote to our community today: 'after so many years of membership, they should know that, when beginning to enter a name they have a choice to make which name is the right one. I call this laziness if they don't make the choice while thinking at the same time that some administrator will correct it eventually.
Comments that show self-righteousness, hubris, arrogance, contempt, you name it. Reactions that are intended to intentionally hit and hurt people. It says a lot about whoever wrote such a thing. But the harm to others is no less.

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February 24, 2022 19:47
Raoul62 Sorry but it's an experienced administrator who tells me twice "it's not true". I don't want to come across as important, but I don't count myself among the new blood with new ideas either, I've been doing it too long for that.
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Please don't let the tense atmosphere caused by a megalomaniac Putin spill over into the forum. I think it is clear to everyone (on this forum) how to enter personal names. Unfortunately, it is a fact that this is not always carried out correctly, but we do not resign ourselves to it.

In addition to the many advantages, there is also a disadvantage to the current system.

It makes no sense to judge each other, let's put our energy into coming up with good solutions.
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