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January 27, 2022 02:16
Hey does anyone know what books with the format 12 by 8 are called like sleepers but I'm more for the vertical books I've searched a lot myself and I found "mass paperback" but can't find 12 by 8 cm books anywhere 
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January 27, 2022 22:08
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Not every format book has its own name.
'Massa paperback' seems to be a bad translation of 'mass paperback', which in Dutch means a pocket.
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January 29, 2022 08:49
Where I wrote 'mass paperback', I meant 'mass market paperback'.
The conclusion remains the same: it is a pocket.
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January 31, 2022 09:28
I now also use pocket for Dwarsligger. After all, they easily fit in a pocket.
But actually a real pocket is a small paperback and the Sleepers are bound booklets...
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Oblong is the designation for a book whose width is greater than its height. I would therefore use the name oblong  for your booklet of 12 by 8 cm.
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February 02, 2022 21:34
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Oblong is n.m.m. not a name of a book, but of a format.


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Yes, that's right. I thought the question was related to that.
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I thought so too.
Straighter is not just a pocket. It is a very specific, patented release form.
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Then we should add Sleeper as book form.
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I think so too. But that should also be the case for "integral tyre".

By the way, does anyone know what the definition of "Mini-booklet" is? Not in the Handbook.
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April 19, 2022 18:52
Then we should add Sleeper as book form.

Isn't there an international term for this Jilles ?
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the term Flipback is used in English. ( They're books about the size of your hand and were popularized as "sleeper" in the Netherlands.)
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By the way, does anyone know what the definition of "Mini book" is? Not in the Handbook.
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I don't think the other types are in it either ;-) But you're right, it's a very unclear type. I always think of small bibles from approx. 5 cm high, but in practice it is also used for much larger books that are very thin.
I think it should be abolished, because mini-booklets are also bound books, paperbacks or paperbacks at the same time. The details appear from the dimensions (if entered) or the number of pages (ditto).
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the term Flipback is used in English. ( They're books about the size of your hand and were popularized as "sleeper" in the Netherlands.)

Very good Leike-w 
In case we create Dwarsligger or "Dwarsligger / Flipback" in Dutch, then immediately create Flipback as a translation for the other languages, unless for example there is still a common French word for it or something.
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There is no international term for this

Dwarsligger is a registered format and can also be found in the English edition (See: #7757747 )
But this article does talk about flipback . I don't know if German or French books are already being published in this format. So for the time being use Flipback for the other translations and for Dutch only Dwarsligger


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Jilles Rene  interesting so continued searching. Coincidentally, the article by Jilles (flipback) also mentions the French name Points2  (Points Deux) and if you are going to search for that (word livre after it for targeted search) then it mentions e.g. this wiki .(with explanation ). This also seems to apply to the Spanish word Librinos (although some do make a distinction by naming it specifically Librinos de Ediciones (type) B). Perhaps this helps? For German (not specifically found) the name flipback seems to be used. .
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As for mini-booklet: there is something nice to read on the internet MINIATURE BOOK SOCIETY.
In any case, there is more or less an English definition and there are indeed collectors of specific mini-books, also in the Netherlands. Whether it should be removed from the input options is then the question. I can imagine that the collectors out there will want to search a catalog for dimensions.
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Ultrapoche seems to be the most used/appropriate term in French.
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With Minibooks I myself tend to the American definition, so a maximum of 7.5 cm high (or wide, or thick).
But even if you keep 10 cm as the maximum, this type of book is heavily soiled.

By the way, you cannot filter the Type on the main page of Books, you must first make a selection (e.g. by Country or Language) before you get that option in the left column.
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Bookstore : in case LD determines a definition in formats, I'd like to correct , where formats are in books that don't fit the definition. I just can't review them.
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If only it were that simple::
Problem 1 : many 'mini-booklets' do not mention formats.
Problem 2: in many cases it is not clear in which type you should classify the item when correcting.
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vertigo You have to start cleaning up somewhere. As long as there is no definition, you can't blame anyone if everyone follows their own preference. And if some people think 19 x 26 cm (#3596671) is already "mini", then the section is useless as far as I'm concerned.

(Perhaps the name "miniature booklets" would point more people in the right direction.)
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Changing the name to 'miniature booklets' seems like a good idea. And the maximum dimension is 7.62 cm high, wide or thick.

But you can define what you want, but you cannot spread that definition widely. There is no Books Handbook and the option to create a background page does not exist at Book type either. The users will keep making the same 'mistake'.


 
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the option to create a background page does not exist with Book type either.
Why isn't the book form actually a collection area from which the parts can be selected? It is a closed list, so the field is manageable (or is it manageable?).
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The Book Type is hardcoded and cannot be managed by administrators. I don't know why that choice was made at the time.
I can change the name if necessary.
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